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Topic History of: Unemployment DOWN yet again !
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John Marsh |
ITK I assume any organisation that deals all day with countless (millions?) of misfits, winos, druggies, layabouts, scoundrels, fraudsters, thieves, (and yes, a few unemployed) must be doing a good job for the system to function.
Can you imagine ME working there?
I wouldn't last a day I'd soon be telling someone they should be taken outside and shot !
ITK You cannot possibly know my circumstances either past or present.
I simply realise that the world does NOT owe us a living (like some of the dolers think).
Firstly I do not know your circumstances so I apologise. I do feel passionate concerning the treatment of the marginalised. I want to challenge not mis judge people, but your own words do seem to indicate a lack of empathy. That is thinking what if it is me. Which it may well be and you play the devil's advocate.
In any case I see that Goebbels would be proud of the UK government propaganda in demonising the benefit claimant as the new Jew of Europe. I feel like I wear a yellow star with the words benefit claimant on it. (Actually can not claim as assets to high)
In the matter of government highlighting benefit dependancy culture label. I do hold the government responsible to ensure reasonably paid jobs for all. Maybe need to lower retirement age to 50 or channel the QS to low income people and not to just keeping the value of bonds up. Even Gordon Brown for all his faults was charging around attempting to get the money people to cancel debt and re value how they trackled the money supply. But now that has stopped. So no I do not support the government. As austerity in its name alone is a defeatist approach.
Democracy - government of the people, by the people, for the people is why I take that the government is voted in as our guardians to our welfare collectively. Yes of course there is no logical reason why they do not shoot us all or whatever as we arrive in this world without a clue to what it is all about and leave it even more disillusioned. But my approach which I consider most people conscious or unconsciously want is quality of life from cradle to the grave. And everyone is dependent at times on parents and so on. Even Margaret Thatcher got some funding for her time at Oxford.
ITK Actually 5.3% (although thats quite high for the South East)
- but that means 94.7% have got jobs !
Percentage breakdown from ONS which you will find adds up to 101.3
www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market...4/video-summary.html
Age range 16 to 64
Employment 30.64 73.1% Includes work schemes P/T zero hours and so on.
Unemployed 2.12 6.5% All those clearly registered and not sanctioned.
Economically 8.78 21.7% Retired early, carers, education. And like me need work but not in the other headings. So if one takes the unemployed figure those on work schemes (Could find no recorded number) P/T and zero contracts needing full time work. Plus all long term sick etc who would take a job tomorrow morning if it was there. The shortfall in jobs could be 5 to 10 million who knows as collecting data gets more difficult and less accurate and no government as I have stated wants to really face a problem head on. So their thinking is lets blame the poor once again. It worked for 100's years so why change.
The big tragedy in the UK with the large % housed and well off it would take so little to ensure the remainder have suitable housing and work. Then when that is done look around for those real lazy scum to have a go at. May even want to ensure thay have a liveable income and housing so our country looks good not because they deserve it but for the same reason we clear up rubbish that others drop because we want to take pride in our surroundings. |
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In The Know (as always) |
Hello John ... welcome to the forum
John Marsh wrote:
To ITK Firstly there is and will be continued increase in the number of people in employment for the simple reason in the economic cycle UK is moving into boom times. So agreed and there is the answer for the new jobs.
I'm glad you agree that the Coalition's brilliant handling of the economy, and paying down of Labour's debt, has had a good outcome (which of course is the entire opposite of the position we would be in if Labour had cotinued in government) !
Second point is the change in employment opportunities for all changed in the mid 70's due, in addition to many other factors, a key factor of the oil cartel OPEC price hike. Thus jobs cuts and productivity increase from that time. Third point yes most people in the Western world have work many with good incomes or at least in a family with support.
Ah, yes - I remember the 70s ... a time when the miners were fighting for every penny they could get and then spending it all on foreign imports ! (There was a huge rise in the sales of Datsun cars every time the miners got a rise!)
Who could blame them? The Datsuns came with all the "extras" as standard, whereas with British Leyland all the extras were "extra" ! - also there was a very good chance that your Datsun would get home from the garage without breaking down ! (Unfortunately if your BL car broke down - which it did - you found out that they were always on strike and never available to repair it) !
But ITK and many like him have no understanding of how difficult it can be. Either because they have never experienced it or have a re adjusted memory of their own past experience.
You cannot possibly know my circumstances either past or present.
I simply realise that the world does NOT owe us a living (like some of the dolers think).
But no Western governemnt is honest about the real problem which is simply the world produces each year more goods and services for less labour thus there is an increase of too many people chasing too few jobs.
Absolutely spot on !
But why should this be some kind of western government conspiracy ?
We can all work that out for ourselves surely (as you seem to have done already).
You want your car as cheap as possible - which means its either made abroad with cheap labour, or made in the UK by robots.
Just as you want your tee shirts as cheaply as possible -0 which means they have to be made in a Bangla Deshi sweatshop - by children !
You can't have it both ways !
In the future there will be less need for those who cannot hold a responsible job - but that does not mean that we should support whoever and whatever is born, does it?
I read these facts earlier today (which came as absolutely no surprise LOL !) -
More babies are born to women in the most deprived areas, the figures show, with a birth rate of 37.2 per 1,000 compared with 18.6 per 1,000 in the least deprived areas.
This pattern was even more striking for teenage pregnancies, with 31.1 per 1,000 teenage girls in the most deprived areas compared with 3.6 per 1,000 teenage girls in the least deprived.
The North East saw the highest rate of teen births, while the lowest was in London.
Teenage mothers are those aged between 13 and 19 when their babies are born.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25232098
Should we continue to allow people - who cannot even support themselves - to continue to knock-out kids, just to boost their benefits? Bringing a child into a world of deprivation is a form of child cruelty, surely? A good case for introducing compulsory sterilisation to those unwilling / unable to support themselves and their families maybe?
Good luck in your job search - those who try will succeed. |
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JK2006 |
And, John, the growth of the Internet meaning fewer people can accomplish more - so less jobs. |
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John Marsh |
To ITK Firstly there is and will be continued increase in the number of people in employment for the simple reason in the economic cycle UK is moving into boom times. So agreed and there is the answer for the new jobs. Second point is the change in employment opportunities for all changed in the mid 70's due, in addition to many other factors, a key factor of the oil cartel OPEC price hike. Thus jobs cuts and productivity increase from that time. Third point yes most people in the Western world have work many with good incomes or at least in a family with support.
My own experience is that if you end up in the margin like I have it is extremly difficult and getting a job is more like musical chairs and often people move outside the employability wanted list never to re enter. But ITK and many like him have no understanding of how difficult it can be. Either because they have never experienced it or have a re adjusted memory of their own past experience. There is a lot to explain and here is not the time or space. But no Western governemnt is honest about the real problem which is simply the world produces each year more goods and services for less labour thus there is an increase of too many people chasing too few jobs. |
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andrew |
In The Know (as always) wrote:
In The Know (as always) wrote:
..... and AGAIN !
Another 161,000 found those non-existent jobs this month !
- proof that those what want work find work !
There are now more than 30.5 million people IN WORK - most of it full time.
....... and another 121,000 find those non-existent jobs LOL !
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28325361
Funny they never state what town these jobs are, what hours these people are doing. I bet half these people are doing community payback or been sanctioned or just more people on work programme.
The other statistic trick is they don't count the people who have been on JSA are now on ESA.
Iain has swindles the stats again.  |
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