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Topic History of: The Mail is really onto Police Behaviour in 2018
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holocaust21 |
hedda,
how are you going to define, exactly, this new 'Criminal Defamation' law? How are you going to police it when the internet is international and across borders and 'Criminal Defamation', being some form of speech, is thus also rather hard to define and so takes resources to investigate and prosecute?
And how are you going to ensure this law isn't used to prosecute people involved in daft twitter spats?
How are you going to ensure this law isn't used to prosecute people criticising those in power?
The hypocrisy in all of this is that lies and defamation is something used by our politicians frequently: They claim all Muslims are terrorists, they claim all men are rapists/wife beaters, they claim China restricts free speech when so do we, they call for violence against those who break their silly laws. And yet amongst all of this, our politicians have laws that criminalise the very same speech they use! Of course the laws are never enforced on them, but instead they are enforced on those they don't agree with.
So there's the problem, and it doesn't help your case that what you are proposing is already illegal (under harassment laws and the malicious communications act) but it isn't enforced because the ideology of the police is to only prosecute men who say that a woman should be raped. However, if a woman says that a man should be locked up on a false rape charge then all of a sudden that's OK, that's not harassment, that's not a malicious communication, WTF.
Personally I think there's some argument for graded harassment laws, i.e. on the first offence against a specific individual the police give a warning, then they escalate with fines, and finally they escalate with a prison sentence if the person simply doesn't stop. That way you remove the chilling 'fear factor' that just writing the wrong 'politically incorrect' line of text on the internet will get you raped in prison until the day you die. I think it was Stephen Pinker who said on witch hunts that it is entirely possible one ends up with the situation where everyone believes that everyone else believes in witches without ever truly knowing! The taboo effect, I suppose. |
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JK2006 |
Yes social media has sanctioned malicious gossip. What used to be bored housewives over a garden wall has become official BBC News. |
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hedda |
bit puzzled by this though:
3. Legalise free speech (bye bye malicious communications act!)
the internet has given millions of trolls "free speech" to amplify and destroy individuals on nothing but a claim.
I think there needs to be a new law of Criminal Defamation with severe penalties.
As it is, defamation actions are only for the rich which means some laws are not accessible by most citizens |
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hedda |
I think the Guardian etc will come onboard but the 'right wing' tabloids will do the hard work first.
It's not the true feminists, rather the FemiNazis who are wrecking a reasonably good social movement.
the idiotic @metoo campaign was a prime example and the hatred I experienced online questioning some motives of women or proposing that some women, was extraordinary
We saw amazing bullying of even women who dared to question the @metoo campaign or the atrocious and vicious Rose McGowan that resulted in the careers of actors like Kevin Spacey along with dozens of men being destroyed...while not one single one has been formally tried or found guilty of a single offense.
And the @metoo campaign totally ignored the millions of women working in ordinary jobs and who have no power or access to the media. |
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JK2006 |
Some of what you say makes sense but adapt rather than abolish in many cases. |
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