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Topic History of: Vatican summit on clergy sex abuse
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Randall	I was intrigued by Jo's original post about the Pete Saunders fellow with his NAPAC charity. The NAPAC website hardly even bothers to disguise its commercial nature. Pete Saunders himself has a story so changeable that it's impossible to grant him any credibility at all. Although there are strenuous propaganda attempts to convince us that getting your story/stories in a hopeless muddle and fucking up all the details and including obvious and verifiable untruths is just what real abuse survivors do SO THAT PROOOOOVES IT!!. Of course consistent accounts are also 100% credible. People who seem angry or upset too. People who don't seem bothered. I'm curious to know what behaviour, if any, ISN'T typical of genuine abuse victims. Anyway, professional victim. With emphasis on the professional.
Barney	It's just fair that an organisation has agreed - after centuries - to allow its members to adhere to the same justice system(s), as the rest of us! The Catholic church denied, for decades, any wrongdoing - or paedophile activities by its members. Francis now says they should be treated like you and me. And be allowed to stand up in UK's, or any legitimate court. Instead of their own...
Randall	Barney wrote: Perhaps - like Nuremberg - special courts and procedures will be required to ensure a fair hearing You think the Nuremberg trials were fair???
Barney	Barney wrote: And for those guilty of abuse - as well as covering it up - to be subjected to the due process of law. Not - 'look; we've admitted it and had a summit; and introduced new procedures to ensure it won't be repeated'. Perpetrators must now be made accountable. Now - for the very first time - a Pope has decreed that sexual abuse by Catholic clergy be reported 'to competent civil authorities'. Francis' predecessors wanted these matters to be kept within, and handled by, the church.This follows the January Summit in Rome. Hopefully - the past offences of clergy will now be investigated. It now seems incredulous that this religion thought it was exempt from civil prosecution. And that it was right to refuse to deny it - as well as refusing to provide evidence. Well done Francis...one the most important and significant decisions in the history of the Catholic church!
hedda	Barney wrote: I agree that there has to be an element of false allegations/wrongly accused in this worldwide cauldron of abuse, over so many years. And that Francis, the Vatican and the relevant judiciaries must take appropriate steps to ensure that these are quickly identified and exonerated. Perhaps - like Nuremberg - special courts and procedures will be required to ensure a fair hearing for those accused. And for the victims who have waited so long. Cardinal Pell has been convicted of abusing a boy who repeatedly claimed as a man to several people including his mother it never happened. That man was a drug addict and down on his luck but still did not take the opportunity to accuse Pell when he would been due $100Ks in compo. But still Pell was convicted on the say so of another claimed victim. Even though the alleged victim said it never happened. Work that one out.