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Topic History of: Magdalene Launderies
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Barney |
Your attempt at humour won't be appreciated by the hundreds of families simply seeking to find their family members' resting places.
Researchers are currently very active in other similar homes (mostly closed) - where there is circumstantial, anecdotal and other evidence pointing to similar (but denied) practices.
But - as with the now acknowledged sexual abuse by some Catholic clergy - it will probably take some considerable time before the church accepts any blame for Tuam etc(?)....
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hedda |
tdf wrote:
hedda wrote:
"disposed off"? surely after they had died and deaths of infants were very high at the time in Ireland.
It's an emotive term and basically it's what we do with all our dead even if we dress it up with ceremonies (not me- I want to be left on hillside for the Vultures and Buzzards to dine off like the Tibetans do..love to be finally of use  )
I know they are investigating the Tuam claims but I thought it was a painstaking job for archeologists as the "crypts" were incredibly fragile.
And surely there has been some sensationalizing in the reporting..basically giving the impression 100s of bodies were flung into a sewer when in fact it was a disused sewer turned into a crypt.
But it wasn't just the Catholics who took a dim view of unmarried mothers etc.
My Irish grandmother (Protestant) was fiercely "conservative" and narrow-minded and reflected much of the thinking at the time.
(mind you I discovered when I had to get my father's birth certificate he was born when she was 16 and had only been married for 5 months  )
terrible times for all the Irish
www.irishtimes.com/opinion/rush-to-moral...-the-facts-1.3002786
Rush to moralise over Tuam has run ahead of the facts
While the home was an awful, tragic place, it was not necessarily a site of insanity or evil
While I agree with much of this, I believe it has been shown that the infant mortality rate was unusually high in some of these homes compared to the rest of Ireland.
many thanks..I hereby appoint you as Executive Manager in Charge of Body Disposal (namely Hedda).
Are there Buzzards and Vultures in the UK? I'm not sure. I don't mind if it's little Robins or Great Tits, Goldfinchs etc and even Seagulls!
As long as they all get a good feed.
Just think..you could walk out into your garden or be wandering through Hyde Park and a beautiful little Finch flies by and you can say to your friend.."there goes a little Piece of Hedda" |
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Barney |
A year after Pope Francis visited Ireland, to a place not far from Tuam - where the remains of 796 bodies have been found, mainly babies - nothing much has happened.
However, a Bill is now to be put before the Irish Parliament to allow for forensic examinations, exhumations and DNA testing - at the expense of the state.
Because the 'unmarried mothers' home was run by a religious order, the Catholic church has done nothing to assist in the investigation - just saying that it nothing to do with them.
The wealthy order of nuns (still running hospitals in Ireland) say that they've no records of the burials whatsoever. However, they've been convinced to bear some of the costs of the initial inquiry.
Undoubtedly, this story will run and run - not least because people want to know what happened to their family members.
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Barney |
tdf wrote:
I believe it has been shown that the infant mortality rate was unusually high in some of these homes compared to the rest of Ireland
Sadly, extremely high.
Children born out of wedlock, were evil.
And insignificant.
Community status was immediately lost if a family member became pregnant - in their valley of the squinting windows.
'Send her to the home'
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honey!oh sugar sugar. |
tdf wrote:
hedda wrote:
"disposed off"? surely after they had died and deaths of infants were very high at the time in Ireland.
It's an emotive term and basically it's what we do with all our dead even if we dress it up with ceremonies (not me- I want to be left on hillside for the Vultures and Buzzards to dine off like the Tibetans do..love to be finally of use )
I know they are investigating the Tuam claims but I thought it was a painstaking job for archeologists as the "crypts" were incredibly fragile.
And surely there has been some sensationalizing in the reporting..basically giving the impression 100s of bodies were flung into a sewer when in fact it was a disused sewer turned into a crypt.
But it wasn't just the Catholics who took a dim view of unmarried mothers etc.
My Irish grandmother (Protestant) was fiercely "conservative" and narrow-minded and reflected much of the thinking at the time.
(mind you I discovered when I had to get my father's birth certificate he was born when she was 16 and had only been married for 5 months )
terrible times for all the Irish
www.irishtimes.com/opinion/rush-to-moral...-the-facts-1.3002786
Rush to moralise over Tuam has run ahead of the facts
While the home was an awful, tragic place, it was not necessarily a site of insanity or evil
While I agree with much of this, I believe it has been shown that the infant mortality rate was unusually high in some of these homes compared to the rest of Ireland.
Infant mortality would be higher due to poverty, stress, youth etc, which would apply to many of the ladies who were in the laundries. |
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