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Bookworm wrote: Don't forget folks how Lady Sarah Ferguson escaped death on 9/11.
Two dead Royals would be worrying ( Diana was the first). That said, nearly two dead Royals and a stitch up involving a prince in the background of a hacking scandal is very alarming.
Nobody seems to be putting this all together. Except me!
Nobody wants to challenge it either!
Any takers?
Are you suggesting that "they" deliberately saved Sarah Ferguson?
Bookworm
Don't forget folks how Lady Sarah Ferguson escaped death on 9/11.
Two dead Royals would be worrying ( Diana was the first). That said, nearly two dead Royals and a stitch up involving a prince in the background of a hacking scandal is very alarming.
Nobody seems to be putting this all together. Except me!
Nobody wants to challenge it either!
Any takers?
hedda
Jo wrote: You make excellent points, Sheba Bear. I suppose they're not saying they were women, though, but underage girls. What I'd like to know and haven't come across an explanation of is what "sex slave", "forced" and "trafficked" are supposed to mean here. If these are exaggerations of what really happened, what else is exaggerated? Could Epstein actually have been innocent of criminality and just pleaded guilty in the plea deal to avoid a lengthy sentence?
hedda, Roberts claims the photo was taken before she slept with Andrew. And I was wrong in thinking he'd said in the interview that it was taken on an upper floor of Epstein's home; it was apparently taken on an upper floor of Ghislaine Maxwell's home.
I've been wondering whether Andrew, in staying at Epstein's home, had possibly invited himself there, in the style of Princess Margaret (and possibly other royals?).
"Over the years Princess Margaret came to rely on the largesse of rich friends like the Aga Khan and Imelda Marcos to provide villas and yachts for her pleasure. She especially enjoyed visiting Italy and regularly invited herself to stay with Harold Acton at La Pietra in Florence and Gore Vidal in Ravello". (The Royals by Kitty Kelly)
The photo is completely immaterial. It's the claimant who said it is a "photo of a photo" (this is in a deposition) and she doesn't know if she has the original.
It cannot ever be used as evidence in anything..a criminal trial or civil case. Only a genuine original or negative would be accepted.
The media are of course dredging up photos of Andrew hugging other girls BUT.. and a very big BUT !!!.. they are all friends of Andrews if anyone bothered to see who they are and..as I said previously..they are all SLOANE RANGERS within his social circle.
In fact they make the supposed photo look very dodgy..it's an odd pose for a Royal with someone..stiff.. I believe it will be eventually shown to be a fake.( but I could be wrong)
Again too much ridiculous media chatter and balderdash in what is a CIVIL COURT CASE claiming compensation and as (as though reading my mind) Lawyer Mark Stephens says victims' lawyers will want the duke ..as a high-profile witness in the Epstein case to bring attention and “magnify the damages” in this Victoria Derbeyshire interview.
## Remember ..the same Andrew accuser also accused lawyer Alan Dershowitz who is now suing her ( I have no doubt Dershowitz will win)...but what isn't in this article is that he claims he has audio recording of the accuser saying she didn't know Dershowitz with lawyers encouraging her to say she did..(don;t know if it's true)
### This IS a compensation claim and nothing else. It's a Civil court case, I reckon the accusers have gone to far and will never get a penny of Epstein's estate which his brother will have tied up from now until eternity. They should never have accused Andrew (even if it was true)
Just as O.J.Simpson never paid a penny after his civil loss in the murder case(even though he is every wealthy)
Bookworm
If Andrew met Epstein previously,it really doesn't change anything...
In fact, it could have been made to look more suspicious on Andrews part because any schemers could say they were 'natural acquaintances'.
When did Epsteins trafficking start?
As for his conviction over his relationship with a 14 y/o, let's not forget that people ( certainly here in UK) were once advised to plead guilty because they look sincere and would likely be given a lesser sentence.
Right?
Same for USA?
Jo
Virginia Roberts has accused Andrew of having sex with her when she was underage.
"Ms Roberts, alleges in papers filed in Florida that she was forced to have sex with Andrew when she was 17, which is under the age of consent in the state."
Check her out in this video claiming, with respect to her interactions with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, "the [sex] training started immediately" and "was basically every day and was like going to school". So why didn't she leave? Apparently because they were "powerful" and she didn't know what would happen if she said no or if she reported them. Really? Most teenagers can be pretty stroppy by 16/17 and how many mothers can't even get their daughters to tidy their rooms? Yet here we're supposed to believe she helplessly became a "sex slave" to a couple of strangers she had only just met? Either she was happy to prostitute herself or it didn't happen. I'm inclined to the latter view.
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