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Topic History of: Is ITK an abuser?
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JK2006 wrote:
I don't agree with you there Honey - as far as my personal morality is concerned, even lying to some that you love them when you only really want temporary sex is lying and therefore, morally, rape. But then, I'm odd; I believe in personal morality.
the casting couch has been there forever and is just glorified prostitution.
Deals are made=- take it or leave it. The price is nominated.
The fantasy here is that people somehow believe struggling actors are wilting flowers when those who make it can be as tough as nails with such sheer unshakable determination some would screw an entire army battalion if it helped.
So who is at fault here? the hooker or the mark? |
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honey!oh sugar sugar. |
Randall wrote:
The idea is that if one is deceived about the nature of the sexual act or the nature of the person, one has not consented to what happened, but rather to what one expected.
It's all too easy to reduce this to the absurd. How many men have seen a woman the morning after, in daylight without her make-up and thought, 'good god, I would never have slipped her a length of I knew what she really looked like...' And there are many other possible examples.
In my opinion, this concept of deceit vitiating consent should be totally abandoned. What is on offer sexually is clearly apparent and discernible prima facie. If one goes ahead with whatever is on offer, one necessarily consents to the possibility of there being something different or not to your liking.
The woman who pretended to be a man, as referred to above, is a very good example. If I remember correctly, she masked her face during every meeting, and refused to
speak. If what is apparent to you is a sexual partner who obscures his/her identity to such an extent, but NEVERTHELESS you go ahead and knock boots, you have necessarily consented to the possibility that the person's identity might be something other than what you assumed.
And likewise, because we cant read minds, we have to accept that there is a possibility that someone might be pretending to love you.
(I suppose getting married first used to be a safeguard) |
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Randall |
The idea is that if one is deceived about the nature of the sexual act or the nature of the person, one has not consented to what happened, but rather to what one expected.
It's all too easy to reduce this to the absurd. How many men have seen a woman the morning after, in daylight without her make-up and thought, 'good god, I would never have slipped her a length of I knew what she really looked like...' And there are many other possible examples.
In my opinion, this concept of deceit vitiating consent should be totally abandoned. What is on offer sexually is clearly apparent and discernible prima facie. If one goes ahead with whatever is on offer, one necessarily consents to the possibility of there being something different or not to your liking.
The woman who pretended to be a man, as referred to above, is a very good example. If I remember correctly, she masked her face during every meeting, and refused to
speak. If what is apparent to you is a sexual partner who obscures his/her identity to such an extent, but NEVERTHELESS you go ahead and knock boots, you have necessarily consented to the possibility that the person's identity might be something other than what you assumed. |
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honey!oh sugar sugar. |
Spee32HR wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
even lying to some that you love them when you only really want temporary sex is lying and therefore, morally, rape
Most unusual/odd comment - meaning that consensual sex is rape, if/when the adult participants are only 'in love' for a short while!¡
 
Not so odd when you compare it to the case of the woman convicted of rape because she pretended to be a man. |
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Spee32HR |
JK2006 wrote:
even lying to some that you love them when you only really want temporary sex is lying and therefore, morally, rape
Most unusual/odd comment - meaning that consensual sex is rape, if/when the adult participants are only 'in love' for a short while!¡
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