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Topic History of: Hoe Gaddafi was toppled .....
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Innocent Accused |
In The Know wrote:
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You still haven't answered the question, veritas ! Are you avoiding the answer ?
Obviously taking lessons from u 
Does anybody really care about this lineage u refuse to prove,but keep whinging on about?
This is Britain 2011,not Plantpots annonymous,prove it or loose it  |
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In The Know |
veritas wrote:
..I was only recently alerted to the fact the lineage is a direct line from Edward 111 and the 'Black Prince" by an Irish cousin who was researching and pointed me to a unusual web book that gives all the particulars and trees..
The Beaumonts ?..that explains all..very common that lot, very lower deck.
We wouldn't cross the road to speak to them or aknowledge them. I pity you. Not your fault I suppose.Bad breeding. I blame the parents. 
You still haven't answered the question, veritas ! Are you avoiding the answer ?
As the vast majority of noble families inter-married (I have four separate marriages between different generations the Eyres and the FitzHerberts for example) then its more than likely that there is more than one route to follow.
The FitzHerbert line can be traced back to Thomas Howard, Earl of Surry, 21st Earl of Arundel (who married Alatheia Talbot - grand-daughter of Bess of Hardwick and William Cavendish).
Thomas Howard's father, Philip Howard (Earl of Arundel) and 2 of his brothers married three Dacre sisters (Baron Dacre of Gilsland, Cumbria).
His grandfather (Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey) had a sister (Mary) who married Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond (bastard son of Henry VIII).
Henry Howard's father (Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk) was married first to Anne Plantagenet (daughter of Edward IV). He was also uncle of both Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard.
Unfortunately many of the above lost their heads !
If you are "in the loop" there are usualy numerous routes.
The Beaumonts were never quite as prominent as the Howards (but usually managed to retain their heads, and their lands !) |
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In The Know |
Locked Out wrote:
Firstly, we learn that serfdom began to decline in 1318. Secondly, we learn that Queen Elizabeth freed the last remaining serfs in 1574. And thirdly we can learn, from the wording of that line that by 1574 that number was very low indeed.
We also discern that serfdom was indeed still around in 1574 - which is the exact opposite of what you - the expert!! - had claimed LOL ! |
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Solihull Exile |
In The Know wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
And there were no serfs in England in the 16th century
Serfdom is the status of peasants under feudalism, specifically relating to Manorialism. It was a condition of bondage or modified slavery which developed primarily during the High Middle Ages in Europe and lasted to the mid-19th century. Serfdom included the forced labor of serfs bound to a hereditary plot of land owned by a lord in return for protection and the right to work on fields they leased from their landlords to maintain their own subsistence. Serfdom involved not only work in owner's fields, but his mines, forests and roads
Who knows what my ancestors did to survive?
Probably lavatory cleaners - if they had done something - anything - substancial there would be a record.
Apologies, JK, if this is inflammatory, I just couldn't resist it.
'Serfdom had largely died out in England by 1500 as a personal status' From the same wiki article ITK forgot to finish reading!
Individual countries adopted different policies,and this article covers the whole of europe.While serfdom mainly vanished in england after the black death it only really started in eastern europe around that time. |
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Solihull Exile |
Innocent Accused wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
In The Know wrote:
Locked Out wrote:
Isn't a Talbot a breed of dog?
Its also the family name of the Earls of Shrewsbury.
The 6th Earl married Elizabeth Hardwick (Bess of Hardwick) and built some of the finest houses in England - ie Chatsworth and Hardwick.
Perhaps your ancestors were their serfs ?
Apologies, JK, if this is inflammatory, I just couldn't resist it.
I know... "Hardwick Hall, more glass than wall". Do not presume to lecture me on the Cavendish line or its various offshoots, I could eat you alive.
And there were no serfs in England in the 16th century. Who knows what my ancestors did to survive? I'm not them, and they have little influence on my life save at a genetic level.
ITK knows nothing of history,and I'm sure makes up these ramblings to be at the centre of attention.
ITK has delusions of the mind I fear IA!
JK is the only King we come on here to see |
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