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Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
Nobody appears to have noticed the enormous changes in attitude - when young men and women went to Spain 70 years ago to fight for "freedom" against fascism they were considered heroes; now, when they go to Syria, they are arrested.
 
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Pattaya

Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Nobody appears to have noticed the enormous changes in attitude - when young men and women went to Spain 70 years ago to fight for "freedom" against fascism they were considered heroes; now, when they go to Syria, they are arrested.

Fighting facism vs extreme muslim terrorists?...The only similarity is that both were responsible for murdering women and children to achieve their aims....a la suicide bombers vs Dive bombers.

Another good argument for limiting immigration,these are mostly 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant offspring,totally unsuited to live in our society.
 
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#117906
hedda

Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Nobody appears to have noticed the enormous changes in attitude - when young men and women went to Spain 70 years ago to fight for "freedom" against fascism they were considered heroes; now, when they go to Syria, they are arrested.

indeed...and they fought on both sides
 
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Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
Pattaya wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
Nobody appears to have noticed the enormous changes in attitude - when young men and women went to Spain 70 years ago to fight for "freedom" against fascism they were considered heroes; now, when they go to Syria, they are arrested.

Fighting facism vs extreme muslim terrorists?...The only similarity is that both were responsible for murdering women and children to achieve their aims....a la suicide bombers vs Dive bombers.

Another good argument for limiting immigration,these are mostly 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant offspring,totally unsuited to live in our society.



Yes. We have got pockets of other countries and cultures and nobody seems to benefit from it.
 
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In The Know (as always)

Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
Pattaya wrote:
these are mostly 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant offspring,totally unsuited to live in our society.

I know people whose families have been here forever who are totally unsuited to live in our society (and most of them get programmes on Channel 4 !!!!)
 
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Pattaya

Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
In The Know (as always) wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
these are mostly 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant offspring,totally unsuited to live in our society.

I know people whose families have been here forever who are totally unsuited to live in our society (and most of them get programmes on Channel 4 !!!!)


Yours top most lists

If we've already got so many why on earth import a load more?
Sensible societies learn by their mistakes,not compound them!

Saw a load more 'persecuted' illegal immigrants breaking into lorries in Calais last week....coming to get IDS's free lolly!!
 
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#117944
hedda

Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
In The Know (as always) wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
these are mostly 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant offspring,totally unsuited to live in our society.

I know people whose families have been here forever who are totally unsuited to live in our society (and most of them get programmes on Channel 4 !!!!)


just when you think it's OK to go near ITK he goes all wacky on us again
 
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#117945
Mr Reason

Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
Just for the record............there is no right or wrong answer to immigration, just views and opinions........

And I'd like to put it on record here that the opinion that multi culturalism, mass and free immigration and 100% respect and acceptance of ALL immigrants in the UK should be tolerated.........is arguable from an anti immigration stand point

We immigration rules and laws, like them or not, they are in place. Not ALL immigrants should be in the UK, if they are found to be illeagal, why do we even debate their legality based on time lapse and integration with families?

And for the Spanish Civil War analogy...............I don't buy it. Can anyone point me to an historical reference that any Spanish Civil War volunteer returned to their own country and created plots of terrorism? or pleadged to harm their own countries internal security systems? or harm the internal structure of the UK Government? I'm open to offers.

While the UK is hand wringing itself into a Liberal froth about immigration, we are losing the overall picture of the future society that, I suggest 'the silent majority' would ultimately like to see in the next 20 years....... Its an opiniom, it is right, it isn't wrong.

BUT PLEASE ALSO ACCEPT THAT SUPPORT FOR IMMIGATION AND MULTI CULTURALISM IS ALSO NOT RIGHT OR WRONG, ITS JUST ANOTHER OPINION.
 
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In The Know

Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
It's the old old story, Mr Reason

They want to have THEIR right to live elsewhere but DENY that same right to others.

Its called HYPOCRICY !

We had the same "keep them out" protest over West Indians (when London Transport actually encouraged them to come and man the buses and tubes).

We've had it over Jews
The Irish
Pakistanis and Indians

... and NOT ONE OF THEM can say what will happen to the NHS if foreigners were removed LOL !
 
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Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
In The Know wrote:
It's the old old story, Mr Reason

They want to have THEIR right to live elsewhere but DENY that same right to others.

Its called HYPOCRICY !

We had the same "keep them out" protest over West Indians (when London Transport actually encouraged them to come and man the buses and tubes).

We've had it over Jews
The Irish
Pakistanis and Indians

... and NOT ONE OF THEM can say what will happen to the NHS if foreigners were removed LOL !



None of us are going to go and live off the state in Romania any time soon.
 
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#117965
In The Know (as always)

Re:Young people who travel abroad to fight 11 Years ago  
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

None of us are going to go and live off the state in Romania any time soon.


You should consider it .... housing is (apparently) very cheap !

What about Spain? ... ruled that out too?
 
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