Imagine how many more would have died had the Israelis been running the death camps in the 1940s?

... and let's not forget who helps facilitate the murders -

While U.S. officials have called on Israel to do more to protect civilians, the United States has agreed to Israel's request to resupply it with several types of ammunition, a U.S. defense official told CNN on condition of anonymity. It's not an emergency sale, the official said.

Among the items being bought are tank rounds and illumination rounds, the Pentagon said. Earlier, officials had said that 120mm mortar rounds and 40mm ammunition for grenade launchers were bought.

edition.cnn.com/2014/07/31/world/meast/m...index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I suppose it depends on whether you think gassing innocent people is worse than blowing them up. And the claimed reason for doing it. Very fortunate the Nazis didn't think of bombing Colditz and other tunnel makers!

As Brazil and Ecuador become the latest countries to withdraw their ambassadors from Tel Aviv (because they want nothing further to do with the Iswailiz) it would be interesting (now they have fully revealed themselves to be the pariahs of the world) to know how many people believe (in hindsight) that Hitler was right all along ?

This of course assumes that there ever was a "holocaust" and not a publicity stunt to 'allow' the Israilis to seize Palestinian land.

We should also remember that the US recognised 'Israel' within 20 minutes of the 'state' being proclaimed - which rather indicates that they were part of the land-grab all along (and have propped-up 'Israel' ever since)

JK2006 wrote:
I suppose it depends on whether you think gassing innocent people is worse than blowing them up. And the claimed reason for doing it. Very fortunate the Nazis didn't think of bombing Colditz and other tunnel makers!

seen the same tunnel now in 3 different reports around the world.
seems they fly in credulous journos and take them on tours.

worth watching...note the woman's bizarre wailing as Finkestein answers...

JK2006 wrote:
I suppose it depends on whether you think gassing innocent people is worse than blowing them up.

Surely, gassing is just like going to sleep, isn't it?
(Didn't those at Treblinka say they thought they were going into the showers - showing they had no prior knowledge?)

Hardly the same as terrorising people day after day, night after night, week after week.

These people - trapped in a cage from which there is no escape - have seen their friends and family killed, maimed and mutilated (with even more suffering as the injured cannot be ferried to hospital) - and are sitting, waiting, know it could be their turn any moment.

Surely the ultimate definition of terror (from the terrorist regime) ?

This is and isn't complicated.

Not complicated - They see it as a victims charter and a victim mentality to run the modern Israel along lines of biblical and more recent persecution complexes. Strike you enemy and defend yourself at all costs, because we are a persecuted 'race'

Complicated - The 1930-40's genocide. The Palastine mandate after WW2, the 'freedom fighters' blowing up British troops in pursuit of an Israeli state (terrorists), the support of the USA for the Israeli state and the beligerent attitude, the superiority complex over arabs and the overall general intransient plitical doctrine underpinned by the USA support. Phew.

Pick the bones out?

My view - the USA should renegotiate and realign its Israeli support.....

Mr Reason wrote:
They see it as a victims charter and a victim mentality to run the modern Israel along lines of biblical and more recent persecution complexes. Strike you enemy and defend yourself at all costs, because we are a persecuted 'race'

Well worth reading, Mr Reason -

Were the three million Polish Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis more important than the three million Polish non-Jews who also died?

Anti-Semitism in its historic, virulent and eliminationist form did exist and could certainly exist again, but it does not currently exist in the West in any significantly observable form. Jews have never been so secure or empowered, yet many Jews feel and act as if they are a hair's breadth away from Auschwitz. And not only this, but they require that everybody else feel the same. So soon after the Holocaust this is perhaps understandable, but less so when it is used to silence dissent and criticism of Israel and Zionism.

Jews, individually and collectively use their political, economic, social, and moral power in support of Israel and Zionism. In their defense of Israel and Zionism, Jews brandish their suffering at the world, accusing it of reverting to its old anti-Semitic ways.

The silencing of dissent - www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/PaulE.htm

And the penalties for transgression are terrible. For those who do not manage to pick their way through this minefield, the charge of anti-Semite awaits, with all its possibilities of political, religious and social exclusion. No longer a descriptive term for someone who hates Jews simply for being Jews, 'anti-Semite' is now a curse to hurl against anyone who dares to criticise Jews and, increasingly against anyone who dares, too trenchantly, to criticize Israel and Zionism. And for those Jews of conscience who dare speak out, for them there is reserved the special penalty of exclusion from Jewish life and exile.

Marc Ellis's 'ecumenical deal' which translates also into a political deal, says it all. It goes like this: To the Christian and to the entire non-Jewish world, Jews say this: 'You will apologise for Jewish suffering again and again and again. And, when you have finished apologising, you will then apologise some more. When you have apologised sufficiently we will forgive you, provided you let us do what we want in Palestine.'

www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/PaulE.htm

written over a decade ago and more true now than ever !

... and don't believe all they tell you when "selling the story" !!!!

newobserveronline.com/smithsonian-red-fa...e-not-jewish-at-all/

hedda wrote:
...note the woman's bizarre wailing as Finkestein answers...


yes ... the "we are the 'special' ones" syndrome !

Has he been murdered yet ?

The "tunnels" is another bizarre issue ....
One report said Izwails were terrified of Hamas popping up in their homes and killing them ! How ridiculous - are they supposed to "pop-up" in the garden? the bathroom? where? There is not a single case of this happening.

Of course the reasoning is clear ....Iswail has failed spectacularly in its stated aim of stopping the home-made rockets - and need further justification, so as usual, invent it.

hedda wrote:
seems they fly in credulous journos and take them on tours.


All part of the long-term plan, hedda !

They provoke a reaction - then blame the other side for all the trouble.

It's all bee part of the plan for a long time .....

Netanyahu's father, Benzion, was a professor of Jewish history who remained active in research and writing into his nineties.

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Regarding the Palestinian people, he stated: "That they won't be able to face [anymore] the war with us, which will include withholding food from Arab cities, preventing education, terminating electrical power and more. They won't be able to exist, and they will run away from here. But it all depends on the war, and whether we will win the battles with them."

Netanyahu has dismissed those who note similarities between his relentlessly hawkish views and those of his late father as "psychobabble". For example, David Remnick has written: "To understand Bibi, you have to understand the father."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu (scroll down to personal life)

It's been a long term plan to destabilise the Palestinians (by depriving them of food, water, electricity etc - as there are doing now) and force them to go elsewhere (another land grab !!!).

How can you 'bury' someone who is 'missing' ????



The picture purports to show the funeral of Goldin, the [sound of clearing throat] Iswaeli who was claimed to be missing !

news.sky.com/story/1312145/un-gaza-school-attack-a-criminal-act

8th post by ITK, in this short tread

Different colours - don't help daft rhetoric


People are been killed every day on the Middle East

The USA say its awful/unfair/wrong

Yet they supply the weapons - at a rate of $15m


EVERY DAY

Ben aged 4 and 3/4 is back !

I'm still not sure why Israelis are killing Palestinians. And why did the Nazis so dislike Jews? Why do the Islamic terrorists hate Christians? All the reasons given so disingenuously by the various smooth talkers justifying the mass killing reek of excuses.

JK2006 wrote:
I'm still not sure why Israelis are killing Palestinians.

It's all about the land ( and the gas off the Gaza coast) -

Regarding the Palestinian people, he (Binny Yahoo!'s father) stated: "That they won't be able to face [anymore] the war with us, which will include withholding food from Arab cities, preventing education, terminating electrical power and more. They won't be able to exist, and they will run away from here. But it all depends on the war, and whether we will win the battles with them."

It's all about making their life intolerable and driving them away - it's simply yet another LAND GRAB !

As the talks get under way there is only one thing the Palestinians should remember -



You can NEVER EVER trust them ! EVER !

In The Know (as always) wrote:
As the talks get under way there is only one thing the Palestinians should remember -

You can NEVER EVER trust them ! EVER !

The major sticking point in negotiations, Hamas says, is Israel's refusal to meet its demand of lifting the blockade on Gaza and the freeing of about 100 prisoners released in exchange for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011 who have been rearrested.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28715660

They do a deal (to get their soldier back) .... then they welch on the deal !

You can NEVER EVER trust them ! EVER !

If you shake hands with them -
1. wear rubber gloves
2. count your fingers afterwards

In The Know wrote:
Ben aged 4 and 3/4 is back !

Are you sure he's that old?

Anyway good work on keeping this tragic topic alive...and greets from Pattaya...the sacrifices one makes to keep one's screen name relevant!