Nobody gives a shit either way.

JK2006 wrote:
Nobody gives a shit either way.

I want them to have independence so it can fuck the Tories and BBC up.

Really???? The London centric media maybe not the best source JK.

I suspect nobody in Scotland cares either Angel. There are many far more important things to think about.

Angel wrote:
Really???? The London centric media maybe not the best source JK.

It looks like the Jacobite Revolution may be achieved after all this time !

Go, Scotland, Go !

In The Know (as always) wrote:
Angel wrote:
Really???? The London centric media maybe not the best source JK.

It looks like the Jacobite Revolution may be achieved after all this time !

Go, Scotland, Go !

Yes please do.

I think in Scotland they are taking it every seriously/

I want them to vote independent- for many reasons now.

But I don't think they will

JK2006 wrote:
I suspect nobody in Scotland cares either Angel. There are many far more important things to think about.

Mr King,stick to the music

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746377...st-11-days-vote.html

hedda wrote:
I want them to vote independent- for many reasons now.

The Loonies are in quite a panic, hedda !

IF Scotland goes Independent Labour will LOSE more Westminster MPs than almost all other parties put together (and any hope of getting back into Government will go down the pan once and for all !) !



... and Mr Silliband is going to mount sentries at the border LOL !

No wonder they are in a panic.

Isn't David rather clever ?

Pattaya wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I suspect nobody in Scotland cares either Angel. There are many far more important things to think about.

Mr King,stick to the music

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746377...st-11-days-vote.html

While I think it's always good as a rule to be wary of one lone poll showing anything, it definitely has to be said that the increase in the 'yes' vote recently has been quite remarkable. My inkling is that it will be down to the wire and that the 'no' camp will win, but what do I know? If the current momentum is maintained we could be in for a surprise.

I have a question, though (although I have no real opinion, and think it's up to the Scots to make their minds up), and my question is this:

If the vote is indeed 51% t the yes camp, is that really a big enough lead to justify such a major change? After all, 51% yes and 49% no really effectively means that around half the people want independence and around half don't. I seem to remember that when there was a poll in the late 70s, there was a caveat that full independence would not be granted if 40% or more of the population voted against. Not sure if I'm remembering that correctly though.

I disagree with JK and think that, from what I've heard, the debate seems to have really engaged the Scottish people. There was something on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning to the effect that foreign media have been reporting how good natured the campaigning has been (maybe excepting the TV debates) .

david wrote:

If the vote is indeed 51% t the yes camp, is that really a big enough lead to justify such a major change? After all, 51% yes and 49% no really effectively means that around half the people want independence and around half don't.

Good point .... And what if it was that percentage on,say, an 70% turnout?

Lots of room for doubt

In The Know wrote:
david wrote:

If the vote is indeed 51% t the yes camp, is that really a big enough lead to justify such a major change? After all, 51% yes and 49% no really effectively means that around half the people want independence and around half don't.

Good point .... And what if it was that percentage on,say, an 70% turnout?

Lots of room for doubt

Don't forget how independence would affect The Libs.

'At Westminster, the Scottish Liberal Democrats are represented by 11 MPs, including Cabinet Ministers Alistair Carmichael MP and Danny Alexander MP.'

www.libdems.org.uk/scotland

And don't forget we'd also loose Charles Kennedy....what a sobering thought.

I precdict a weakening of Labour in England as a result,the obvious result is more UKIP support,with UKIP possibly being the second party in the next general election,how of course that translates into seats remains to be seen.

you know my views ITK- Noo Labour is just another version of the Tories. Tony Blair effectively stuffed the party by dragging them to the right.

Plus the rise of the ghastly Working Classy Tory Chavs.

a benign dictator is needed. Rupert Murdoch must be overthrown. He will have two enclaves to peddle his misery- one in the far South (Oz) and now Scotland to plot his evil plans for World Domination, destroy the BBC and for the rise of the New News of the World ! (required reading in all classrooms) with special editions of the Pedo Times.

You are in a different country, yet are dictated to by David Cameron and a bunch of privileged toffs in Westminster, what 400/500 miles away?
And these toffs, on both sides, are indignant that this country doesn't want to be dictated to anymore?
Go Scotland. In every sense of the word Go.

steveimp wrote:
You are in a different country, yet are dictated to by David Cameron and a bunch of privileged toffs in Westminster, what 400/500 miles away?

The Scots probably have more say at Westminster than anyone else ... as its a large geographic area and a small population, I suspect that each MP has fewer constituents than anywhere else in the UK.

There are MORE people in Yorkshire than in Scotland .... where next ?

hedda wrote:
you know my views ITK- Noo Labour is just another version of the Tories. Tony Blair effectively stuffed the party by dragging them to the right.

...... which rather proves my point that the illiterates should NOT have a vote !

They had a choice - they fell for it !

Why should we ever again have a party inflicted upon us where even their own supporters can't tell which party their OWN leader really supports?

In The Know (as always) wrote:
hedda wrote:
you know my views ITK- Noo Labour is just another version of the Tories. Tony Blair effectively stuffed the party by dragging them to the right.

...... which rather proves my point that the illiterates should NOT have a vote !

They had a choice - they fell for it !

Why should we ever again have a party inflicted upon us where even their own supporters can't tell which party their OWN leader really supports?

How do you prove who's illiterate?...Besides the foreigners you employ on your plantation

We all know what Cameron supports...himself!...and Clegg supports wipeout...and is working very hard to achieve it.

As for the Scots,Cameron send his own Darling to loose the referendum..along with all those Tartan MPS

In The Know wrote:
david wrote:

If the vote is indeed 51% t the yes camp, is that really a big enough lead to justify such a major change? After all, 51% yes and 49% no really effectively means that around half the people want independence and around half don't.

Good point .... And what if it was that percentage on,say, an 70% turnout?

Lots of room for doubt

If you apply your percentage logic ITK then no election would be dignified unless 99% of people agreed on any vote. "The Scots probably have more say at Westminster than anyone else?" Beggars belief. The whole point of the referendum is exactly that ITK!!!! Proportional representation.

Angel wrote:
If you apply your percentage logic ITK then no election would be dignified unless 99% of people agreed on any vote.

Largely agree, angel - but in most cases it does not matter, you simply make an alternative choice at the next election .... BUT in this case, of such drastic change, will that be possible ?

A JK explanation why nobody cares and nobody SHOULD care... it will make no difference. Politicians and governments will continue to screw up and occasionally get it right. Taxes will go up, whoever is in charge. The law, NHS, education will go bumbling on, half right, half wrong. Cash will be wasted in many areas and will be used well in a few. People will grumble. The media will continue to construct "good stories" (what difference did Leveson make? Huge spend - no money to save Ebola victims or to look after the starving or to protect the vulnerable).

Is The Republic Of Ireland different to Ulster? No. Oh a few superficial things (Euro not pound). But essentially just the same.

Democracy does not work. Or put it this way, bits slightly work, others don't.