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TOPIC: The Diana Conspiracy
#13681
In The Know

The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
There's alot of speculation about right now - on the report due to be publishing next week, and also the highly-trailed documentary on BBC tomorrow night.

This programme seems to focus entirely on Henry Paul's blood - and says recent tests prove he WAS drunk. This of course depends on whether the recent tests were carried out on the original body or on the samples AFTER they had been switched !

I also suspect that both the report and the programme will gloss over the other facts -

1. What was the Fiat Uno never traced?
2. Was it really a co-incidence that Diana happened to die in a crash with was an exact replica of a "planned accident" that MI5 had been working on to kill President Milosovic?
3. Why did the ambuland take nearly 2 hours to get to the hospital (a journey of ten minutes max)?
4. Why was an ambulance reported parked in a side-street for an hour at about that time?
5. Why was the body embalmed so quickly - which is actually against French law, until a relative has approved it.
6. Why did the papparazzi man killed under such strange circumstances (they claimed suicide) in the South of France? (He did have a Fiat Uno !!!!)
7. Why is the surviving bodyguard on record as saying "he will be safe as long as he never remebers what happened"?
8. Why has it taken nearly ten years to have an inquest - and they haven't actually had it yet !!!!

Clearly no conspiracy at all !!!!!!!
 
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#13720
Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
I can answer 4.

There as been, over the past 20 years risk analysis software that give a weighted probability of an 'incident' that requires a paramedic unit in a specific area. The Pont d'Alma area is a bit like Covent Garden or the streets off Trafalgar Square for accidents. Thus you tend to get units there. You'll see it in London, Liverpool, Manchester and numerous other cities, and on certain motorway junctions. It's actually quite effective

As to two hours... depends on the nature and how injured the people in the RTA are. You have to prise the car apart, without killing or dismembering the people inside. Then you have to get them stabilised sufficiently to move them to the Ambulance. You then have to repair any damage you did getting them from the vehicle to the unit. Then you have to move from the scene to the nearest active ER. The Parisian system is a lot like the one the want to us in the UK... that is 'centres of excellence' rather than little ERs in every hospital. And if you've ever been in the back of an ambulance following a spinal injury or serious organ trauma, you'll probably have been in faster moving funerals. Also, if the patient's conditions worsens, you stop the ambulance and allow the paramedics to work their magic, be it stabilising a wound or restarting a heart. It's a long way from TV and its flashing lights in a rocking, speeding ambulance as grim faced PMs make life and death decisions while wrestling their personal demons...
 
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#13722
Martin

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
I agree ITK, in this case all your questions are the answers.
I am no royalist at all, but I did meet Diana`s brother only a short while before the incident, and he was a sound and down to earth bloke, and walked me personally around his abode to where I should be parking my car, in his wellies!
His speech after the dreadful events, I must say was brilliant.
I`m not that into conspiracy theories anymore personally, the world is actually very, very small, with a heck of a lot of people in it.
Guess work on conspiracies creates intrigue between a large group of people, created by a small community like us people that contribute on here, and write for the media.
Fiat Uno for sale, one careless owner...
 
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#13740
Al

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
I don't buy the conspiracy idea. In every situation there are circumstances and side events which could be interpreted in various ways to various ends. None of this tosh can be helping her sons very much. I think it's the media etc making yet more capital out of a tragedy. I won't be watching the BBC report or reading any of the coverage.
 
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#13743
In The Know

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
Well, Al ... there's a nice balanced viewpoint!

You don't believe there was a conspiracy BUT you refuse to evaluate the evidence !

Actually I think MI5 have sabotaged my DVD recorder. I set it to film the programme but the disc is blank !! If anyone sees it advertised as a repeat can they let me know. (Maybe its available online).
 
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#13753
Al

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
If it was my job to evaluate evidence, then I would evaluate all that was available from whatever source. However, evidence presented by a media, which might have an agenda, may be selective and unbalanced.

If I find myself on a jury in a case relating to this incident, then I shall weigh all the evidence presented to me without prejudice.

For the moment, whether I take notice of the media coverage or not can't make an ounce of difference to anything.
 
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#13763
Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
One of the most interesting things in the case for me (other than the phantom White Fiat Uno...which would have been wrapped around another pillar in Pont d'Alma if it had been in high speed collision with an armoured Merc...) was that the ONLY person in the car who SHOULDN'T have been belted up (the armed body guard) was in seat belt.

To share my mother's theory within hours of the death:

Dodi Al Fayed was the Target. She reckoned Al fayed had been dabbling in Arms Trading and sold to someone that he shouldn't have (if it was Mossad who killed him, then Iraq or Iran, if it was some Arab country, he'd sold to Israel)

Diana was collateral damage and served as something that pulled attention from Al Fayed.

My mother is like that...
 
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#13770
The Cat

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
I tend to agree that Dodi was a more likely target than Diana, if indeed there was a target. I think people are too tied up in the Diana legend to seriously consider this or much else.
 
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#13775
Martin

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
Here`s our tuppence worth.
Whilst agreeing that Dodi was a major target, we actually believe that Diana was pregnant, and there is tonights parrafin for you.
 
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#13777
In The Know

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
<<< we actually believe that Diana was pregnant >>>

Hence the ambulance parked in a side-street near the hospital for over an hour when it should have completed the journey in 10 mins?

Also, explains why the body was embalmed (illegally) within 2 hours of death?
 
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#13781
Martin

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
I rest my case.
 
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#13783
Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
Arrant nonsense on the counts of location of ambulance and length of journey.

Since Althorpe has the body, if he thought she was offed for that he could get a private autopsy to see if the uterus is still there.
The Parisian Pathologist stated that the uterus wasn't gravid, and showed no signs of being recently so (one of those sordid details that gets over looked in the whirlwind of chaos that whirls around it)
 
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#13785
Martin

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
Ok , if we could get the "Your Views" jury in and close the thread it would be most handy.
However, the point of "blame", which is a word I hate, is a bit like a roulette wheel on this subject.
It`s a Lee Harvey Oswald one innit?
When the Oliver Stone script is written one day, there is the history for generations to come, and thats true media global and historic viewpoint.
 
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#13803
In The Know

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
<<< Arrant nonsense on the counts of location of ambulance and length of journey.>>>

It is a FACT (witnessed by many people) that the ambulance was seen (clearly something you don't want to know about!)

The journey time - never denied - should have taken about 10 mins (it was four miles exactly). BOTH ambulance crew had been based at the same hospital for years so can hardly have got lost !

Only the "deniers" can actually believe that such a journey would have taken TWO HOURS !!!!!!!!!!!
 
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#13808
Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
The Lee Harvey Oswald comment is apposite.

There was a conspiracy around the Kennedy assassination, but not the one they think. The scurrying around was more a bunch of security agencies that should have worked together didn't and a man with a will and a gun got within shooting distance of the President. Loads of CYA and a loud, forensically and ballistically impaired populous has everyone from Fidel Castro to a post faked suicide Marylin Monroe shooting JFK.

Diana is similar from a vox populi view since she was 'legend'. Thus, someone not being too important or to special to wear a seat belt and a drunk driver doesn't compute... they need SAS men flashing lights, and French ambulance men aborting an Islamic half brother to the future King of England
 
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#13809
Martin

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
The drunk limousine driver doesnt fit though to me and never did. Why would anyone who drives for a living get drunk? Mind you having said that, I dj`d in a private airport bar for a while and it was quite frightening to see who was getting into the cessna`s and wobbling skyward.
 
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#13835
Foz

Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
I dont buy the conspiracy theory. I have alsways said that Fayed was trying to pin the blame on the secret services because, at the end of the day he probably has a vicarious liability for the accident.
Also, causing an accident is a rather clumsy way of assassinating someone especially as the Mercedes they were travelling in was one of the safest cars on the road at the time and the crash would have been survivable had they been wearing seatbelts and there was a 50/50 chance that Dodi or Diana would - The body guard was the only one wearing a belt - he survived.
If they wanted Dodi out of the way would it not be easier to arrange an accidental drugs overdose in a hotel room for example?
 
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#13875
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Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
So now we know (officially) .... it was an accident.

But then, if you select the witnesses that you want to talk to, and ignore anyone with a different perspective, what do you expect?

Reminds me very much of the "official" enquiry (was it the Warren Report?) into the JFK assassination - much vaunted when published, and now accepted as absolute rubbish by everyone.
 
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#13876
Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
In The Know wrote:
<<< Arrant nonsense on the counts of location of ambulance and length of journey.>>>

It is a FACT (witnessed by many people) that the ambulance was seen (clearly something you don't want to know about!)

The journey time - never denied - should have taken about 10 mins (it was four miles exactly). BOTH ambulance crew had been based at the same hospital for years so can hardly have got lost !

Only the "deniers" can actually believe that such a journey would have taken TWO HOURS !!!!!!!!!!!

It did take two hours to get to the hospital, and the reason why is explained a few posts above: the time taken to remove the victims from the wreck and the fact that ambulance crews drive slower when spinal and coronary incidents are involved.

I've no insights into the death. But it seems just a bit Flemingish to think that the British secret service, Parisian ambulance crews, French pathologists and all the French investigators were working on a big conspiracy. What's in it for the French? Why would they risk themselves for a People covergirl?
 
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#13878
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Re:The Diana Conspiracy 17 Years, 4 Months ago  
Although an abulance arrived within 15 minutes of the crash, it took at least another 38 minutes for the paramedics to get Diana into the ambulance (that's 53 minutes after the crash). It was claimed that this was because Diana had to be cut free from the Mercedes - which was said to be "armour plated". However, this has been PROVED to be pure disinformation. It has been shown that the Mercedes was NOT armour plated, and that it did NOT need to be cut in order to get Diana out. In actual fact, according to one of the ambulance crew, Diana was almost immediately removed from the car when the paramedics arrived.

During the first 45 minutes after the crash, Diana was very much alive and was talking to witnesses at the scene. One witness reported that Diana said "Help, they are trying to kill us". Other witnesses reported that Diana was semi-conscious, and seemed agitated, saying to photographers: "Leave me alone".

Although the city streets were quiet, it took at least another 45 minutes for the ambulance to carry Diana from the crash site to the Pitie Salpetriere Hospital only 3.7 miles away. That's a rate of just one mile every 12 minutes. In other words - walking speed! This is extraordinary considering the fact that 10 surgeons and an army of medical specialists were eagerly awaiting Diana's arrival at the hospital. It is even more outrageous when you consider the fact that Diana was said by ambulance staff to be suffering from internal bleeding, which requires hospital treatment immediately. Plus, Diana's ambulance passed by two other hospitals that could have treated her immediately. It has been claimed that the ambulance - which was accompanied by a police escort, drove at such a slow speed in order to prevent any aggravation of Diana's injuries.

Within 800 yards (and in sight) of the hospital, the ambulance pulled off the road for 10 minutes. Ambulance staff have claimed that this was because Diana had to be given an emergency shot of adrenaline. However, senior hospital doctors deny that this took place. Therefore, why did the ambulance staff decide to stop for 10 minutes? Diana apparently suffered a serious injury to her left pulmonary vein, but she could easily have been treated if she was quickly delivered to the hospital and placed on a heart lung unit. Neither was done. We still have no conclusive answers as to what really went on, minute-by-minute, as Diana was being transported to the hospital.

French Interior Minister Jean-Pierre Chevenement and Paris police chief Philippe Massoni were both at the hospital waiting for Diana's ambulance to arrive. The trip took so long that they feared the ambulance had gotten lost en route.

The type of injury that Diana apparently sustained does not lead to rapid loss of blood, but can only be stopped by surgery. Injuries of this type do not typically end in the death of a patient AS LONG AS the injured person arrives at a hospital within 15 minutes after the accident (for example, Ronald Reagan suffered a similar injury when he was shot, and yet he was back at work within weeks). Dr Mailliez, who was at the scene of the accident, was quoted by the Telegraph as saying that Diana's condition was, "Not catastrophic" and added "she did not seem desperate. She looked pretty fine. I thought this woman had a chance." His opinion was shared by the prominent surgeon Christian Barnard who in his recent book wrote that Diana could have been saved if she had reached the hospital on time.

In a case where a crash victim has been diagnosed as suffering from internal bleeding, there is only one proper course of action. The victim should be stabilized, and then be rushed to a hospital for surgery. Why did this not happen in Diana's case?

Surely, you would expect a qualified doctor (such as Dr Frederic Mailliez) to be able to determine, within 45 minutes, whether a person has sustained "life-threatening" injuries. However, he insisted that Diana's condition was "not desperate". Therefore, it is plausible to assume that Diana would have survived had she reached the hospital within those first 45 minutes.

*** Interestingly, we have not even mentioned yet that ALL 17 cameras that are in or around the tunnel ALL FAILED 10 minutes before the "accident" - something that had never previously happened !
 
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