I wonder whether the public is as stupid as the media believes? Or do we see through the coverage of the "massive" (tiny) Corbyn "reshuffle" (slight movements) as reflecting hatred and revenge? Nowhere is it implied, let alone remarked, that perhaps these changes reflect his opinion that the new appointments might be better suited for the jobs, after six months of experimentation? Or that, whilst politely requesting that Hilary Benn (I really liked his Dad) might tone down his opposition to his Leader's opinions in future, Corbyn also had half a dozen other far more significant suggestions for better opposition to foreign policy? I suspect more and more media clients are being pushed towards Labour and not away from it by the partisan and biased, obvious media coverage.

JK2006 wrote:
I wonder whether the public is as stupid as the media believes? Or do we see through the coverage of the "massive" (tiny) Corbyn "reshuffle" (slight movements) as reflecting hatred and revenge? Nowhere is it implied, let alone remarked, that perhaps these changes reflect his opinion that the new appointments might be better suited for the jobs, after six months of experimentation? Or that, whilst politely requesting that Hilary Benn (I really liked his Dad) might tone down his opposition to his Leader's opinions in future, Corbyn also had half a dozen other far more significant suggestions for better opposition to foreign policy? I suspect more and more media clients are being pushed towards Labour and not away from it by the partisan and biased, obvious media coverage.

I very much doubt if Joe Public stopped voting Labour because of the press Mr King...the internet changed the way people take their information....

....for example 'immigration' is the number one concern for about 60% of the population...hardly a Corbyn strong point....in fact his first public appearance was at a rally to encourage more 'refugees' here....hardly rocket science why he's sliding in the polls...and will continue to do so...

Press? No. Media? Yes.
Interesting that the ex Culture shadow is quitting; methinks a media savvy ambitious politician who probably worshipped Blair and admired Brown, considers the media is what matters and this is a good way to raise his profile for when the baddie (Corbyn), who refuses to be ruled by the media, fails. Will he and like minded politicians like Watson and Damzcuck win?

Pattaya wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I wonder whether the public is as stupid as the media believes? Or do we see through the coverage of the "massive" (tiny) Corbyn "reshuffle" (slight movements) as reflecting hatred and revenge? Nowhere is it implied, let alone remarked, that perhaps these changes reflect his opinion that the new appointments might be better suited for the jobs, after six months of experimentation? Or that, whilst politely requesting that Hilary Benn (I really liked his Dad) might tone down his opposition to his Leader's opinions in future, Corbyn also had half a dozen other far more significant suggestions for better opposition to foreign policy? I suspect more and more media clients are being pushed towards Labour and not away from it by the partisan and biased, obvious media coverage.

I very much doubt if Joe Public stopped voting Labour because of the press Mr King...the internet changed the way people take their information....

....for example 'immigration' is the number one concern for about 60% of the population...hardly a Corbyn strong point....in fact his first public appearance was at a rally to encourage more 'refugees' here....hardly rocket science why he's sliding in the polls...and will continue to do so...


I think most people just use the internet to show off and pout on facebook.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I wonder whether the public is as stupid as the media believes? Or do we see through the coverage of the "massive" (tiny) Corbyn "reshuffle" (slight movements) as reflecting hatred and revenge? Nowhere is it implied, let alone remarked, that perhaps these changes reflect his opinion that the new appointments might be better suited for the jobs, after six months of experimentation? Or that, whilst politely requesting that Hilary Benn (I really liked his Dad) might tone down his opposition to his Leader's opinions in future, Corbyn also had half a dozen other far more significant suggestions for better opposition to foreign policy? I suspect more and more media clients are being pushed towards Labour and not away from it by the partisan and biased, obvious media coverage.

I very much doubt if Joe Public stopped voting Labour because of the press Mr King...the internet changed the way people take their information....

....for example 'immigration' is the number one concern for about 60% of the population...hardly a Corbyn strong point....in fact his first public appearance was at a rally to encourage more 'refugees' here....hardly rocket science why he's sliding in the polls...and will continue to do so...


I think most people just use the internet to show off and pout on facebook.

Social media is full of political type comment...good,bad and ugly....I doubt if we would have had the current PC backlash without it....people now realise how much politicians got away with,and could ye imagine UKIP,or even Corbyn without it....it can make or break parties....Clegg and his Liberals being a good example.

I simply do not believe the news coverage. Laura Coonsbugger on the BBC has gone on and on about this "yawning gulf" and "damaging rift" in Labour whereas it looks to me like a very minor reshuffle with a couple of minor stampy footies by politicians trying to get noticed. I suspect many, like me, non Labour supporters are starting to think about supporting the party. It appears to be being run by decent, sensible, moral and older people.

JK2006 wrote:
I suspect many, like me, non Labour supporters are starting to think about supporting the party. It appears to be being run by decent, sensible, moral and older people.

But there simply are not many like ye Mr King....one in a million...which is about how many new supporters Corbyn may attract.

Take a look at how the public support him on the important issues....he's not got a hope....yes a few like yourself may like him....but imagine a hard working family seeing their hard earned wages driven down,struggling to get a doctor or a dentist...seeing their schools badly performing because all the attention goes to immigrant kids who cannot speak the language easily....

...what are his answers to these questions?....consistent polls are showing his support falling...at a time when the government should be blamed.....he has no workable answers...

I'm ok with a reasonable amount of immigration and people coming here to escape war or genocide in their own countries, but in the last several years immigration to Britain as gone over the top imo.

It stands to reason that every country has to have a limit eventually, or there won't be enough jobs, houses etc to go round. There's too many eastern europeans coming in my opinion. Sooner or later they're gonna have to start addressing the issues in places like Poland that makes such a ridiculously high number of them want to leave. I'll probably still vote Labour though as I definitely wouldn't vote conservative...

the mass media has shifted to opinion at a rapid rate, rather than simple reporting.

A cabinet, shadow or governing re-shuffle is so bloody normal it's not funny except when Jeremy does it, it's the end of civilization as we know it.

Those booted or resigning & the Danczuk's of the world (a tiny minority) have to tread carefully...to criticize the new Corbyn team is to say their Labour colleagues are rubbish..and that's not going to go down well with their local constituency.

A great example of the mis-reporting is this : on the Syria vote the majority of Labour voted with Jeremy Corbyn but the media went apeshit about those who didnt like Benn (accompanied by the ridiculous idolizing of his speech)

But the reality was this : how would the Labour MPs voted on Syria if there was a different leader? To change their vote would show them as being thoroughly dishonest.

## the real race is now on : the New Labour / Tory / Thatcherite Free Market policies underway since the late 70s are a dismal failure (unless you think impossible London house prices and nearly a quarter of Brits in near poverty is a resounding success).....the mass media is in rapid decline...can they claim a Jeremy Corbyn scalp before even those who still purchase media opinion totally abandon them.

### All Labour MPs will be sounding out how Corbyn is going with their local voters. If those voters like what Corbyn presents..policy policy policy..they will stick with him.

hedda wrote:
the mass media has shifted to opinion at a rapid rate, rather than simple reporting.

A cabinet, shadow or governing re-shuffle is so bloody normal it's not funny except when Jeremy does it, it's the end of civilization as we know it.

Those booted or resigning & the Danczuk's of the world (a tiny minority) have to tread carefully...to criticize the new Corbyn team is to say their Labour colleagues are rubbish..and that's not going to go down well with their local constituency.

A great example of the mis-reporting is this : on the Syria vote the majority of Labour voted with Jeremy Corbyn but the media went apeshit about those who didnt like Benn (accompanied by the ridiculous idolizing of his speech)

But the reality was this : how would the Labour MPs voted on Syria if there was a different leader? To change their vote would show them as being thoroughly dishonest.

## the real race is now on : the New Labour / Tory / Thatcherite Free Market policies underway since the late 70s are a dismal failure (unless you think impossible London house prices and nearly a quarter of Brits in near poverty is a resounding success).....the mass media is in rapid decline...can they claim a Jeremy Corbyn scalp before even those who still purchase media opinion totally abandon them.

### All Labour MPs will be sounding out how Corbyn is going with their local voters. If those voters like what Corbyn presents..policy policy policy..they will stick with him.

I think resignations make news...hence the rabid pack of reporters shouting their mouths off...also the quality of the appointments will create headlines....that awful woman who degraded the family with the white van and England flags deserves all she gets...and anybody stupid enough to appoint her can expect the same..

....of course we forget when judging the press that the Mirror and Guardian are firmly on the left of centre....so the balance is not so far out....

Corbyn has courted controversy since his youth,attacked leadership with impunity....glass houses...stones?....Good morning and a Happy Christmas from a cold but beautiful Kamyanets-Podilskiy Hedda...fancy changing places?...Well just till the thaw...

Rephrase Ye Olde Imperialist Patt: "Judging the 7-day UK Media Press/TV/Radio.

The Mirror/S.Mirror/People, Guardian/Observer, are 5 left of centre.

The Independent/IndependentOnSunday are closest to centre.

And 15 Right-wing, Sun/SunOnSunday, Times/S.Times, Mail/MailOnSunday, Telegraph/S.Telegraph, D.Express/S.Express, D.Star/D.StarSunday, MidweekSport/WeekendSport/SundaySport.

Total Press = c.22. Left 5 v Rest 17 = c.70% off balance.

TV non-commercial/centre Left: BBC.

TV commercial/centre Right: ITV, C4, C5, Sky, MTV, BET/Viacom, Discovery, Disney, History.

Total TV = c.10: Left 1 v Rest 9 = c.90% off balance.

Radio non-commercial/centre Left BBC.

Radio commercial/centre Right: Absolute, Capital, Classic FM, Kiss, LBC, Magic, Talksport.

Total Radio = Left 1 v Rest 8 = c.75% off balance.

Overall UK Press/Media: centre Left/Left = c.7 v centre Right/Right = c.34, = c.80%+ off balance. "