Proof please, 30 men came forward with the same story!

Not a clue if he was or was not what this cop is saying but please this is not fair it's a courts job to decide guilt or non guilt

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238188...ys-police-chief.html

"There are very close similarities in the accounts given by those who have come forward. The same names used for him, the same places and same type of incidents keep coming up. ‘What stands out is that the people giving these accounts are not connected but the stories and the details dovetail'."
I don't suppose they could be connected through social media or online forums or through reading the same rumours online.

Another source said: ‘The police were initially sceptical about the allegations, but now believe them. And they have come round to the view that they were covered up in the past because of who Heath was.
They believe the allegations because they think so many people can't be lying, just as so many unconnected people telling the story of Rapunzel can't be lying about a woman who lived in a tower with a long plait of hair and because people they respect have come to believe it, they believe it too.

"Detectives have established that, contrary to claims that Sir Edward could not have committed the crimes as he ‘never drove a car’ and ‘always’ had a police driver with him, he did drive – and did have a car."
Driving a car makes him a child abuser? Oh please, give us a break!

This sounds to me a bit like affinity fraud, with the people being preyed on being the police and the people doing the preying all having the idea of seeking compensation for unprovable but potentially lucrative events.

"Affinity fraud is a form of investment fraud in which the fraudster preys upon members of identifiable groups, such as religious or ethnic communities, language minorities, the elderly, or professional groups. The fraudsters who promote affinity scams frequently are – or successfully pretend to be – members of the group. They often enlist respected community or religious leaders from within the group to spread the word about the scheme, by convincing those people that a fraudulent investment is legitimate and worthwhile. Many times, those leaders become unwitting victims of the fraudster's ruse."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_fraud

I don't know what just motivated me to read some of the DM comments, normally it would need to be a slow afternoon in Hell but I'm glad I did because I chanced upon this bit of 18 carat gold tin foilness. NURSE! NURSE!

If these rumours are true the people who kept the doors shut need finding, not just for the justice any victims might get, but because they let the PM run a country while open to blackmail putting the security of the UK at risk. There is always a bit of concern as to why he took the UK into the EEC when it went against constitutional convention and a general election or referendum was not enacted when two thirds of the country were against joining. If he used personal position to force the UK into joining the EEC it makes you wonder if his integrity and personal life were all that they seemed.

Just when you thought Brexiteurs couldn't get more detached from reality..

it's a courts job to decide guilt or non guilt

Is it really? When did that come in? Didn't the MSM fight against this usurping of their ancient traditional powers?

TBD, that's not the first time I've seen that bizarre conspiracy theory from the fringes of the Brexiteers.

I have no idea whether these new allegations are true or not, but everything I've read about Heath suggests that he was passionately pro-EU (or pro-EEC as it was back then, and before that, the 'Common Market'). There was simply no need to blackmail him on the issue - he was a true believer in the European project).

TBD, does Bandini post on this forum do you know? I'd be interested in his take on this recent DM article.

I don't think Bandini does post here, but he used to post on Pet's. I had hoped he'd find the AR piece I wrote but if he did he didn't comment- which he almost certainly would have.

@tdf, Bandini has just commented on the AR piece- was that your doing? If so, thank you, I thought I had his email addy to link him and searched my entire 100,000 TBs of gmail (yes after having a gmail account since when one had to beg an invite, I finally had to pay actual real money for storage for it) but couldn't find it.

Hello, The Blocked Dwarf & TDF!

I have commented now that I've read the piece, TBD. I pop in HERE from time to time hoping for an update on Anna, sort of praying that she'd taken crazy David up on one of his dubious lucky heather 'cures' (which in his case at least seem to ward off the assassins of the UK's security services... so maybe there's something in 'em after all).

I made a New Year's Resolution to stop commenting in part because writing/thinking in English hasn't helped my Spanish advance - in fact it's taken several steps backwards. Anyway...

Heath? I watched the bizarre video-letter that Veale put out re Operation Conifer last year... it's mind-numbing:


I was re-reading a New Statesman piece today on the lunatic David Icke's epic gigs & his audience of thousands:
"From what I can see, Icke’s fan base is diverse, friendly and overwhelmingly normal-seeming."
Aye, and therein lies the problem - they move amongst us! The article goes on to state, "[t]he latest iteration of Icke’s meta-narrative involves the Archons, an ancient race of reptilian psychopaths who have hijacked our perception of reality..."

But what do these crackpots do for a living? How many are in positions of influence & power? Just as a silly example today I stumbled across an unrelated Wikipedia entry today & a name stood out: Mark Millar. I'd seen him pushing the Exaro-style schlock previously, arguing with the likes of David Aaronovitch on Twitter, etc. He has a 'voice' as he's a successful writer of, er, comics & their cinematic conversions ("Creative Consultant at 20th Century Fox.").
It turns out that someone might be due a royalty payment:

"I didn't tell them. I'm a huge David Icke fan and I took the Chitauri from there. I love the fact that it's in a $1.6bn grossing movie and it's straight from David Icke!"

And he's really not joking, as a glance at his Twitter output will confirm:
"We've had a lot of evil in Downing St, but nothing gets close to Heath..."

What's that all got to do with anything? Well, I wonder if we're witnessing what happens when a handful of Mark Millars 'infiltrate' the press, the police, etc.. One of those who gave a statement to Op. Conifer (and TDF will know who I'm referring to) is a staunch 'Nick' supporter and, in one of those odd quirks of fate, had his Heath-free website set up for him by the 'Horror from Holland' who I see mentioned on a recent thread here... a small broom cupboard could hold the majority of those responsible for all of this paedo-hysteria.

Welcome Bandini; had an hour on the phone today with the remarkable AR and she is still fighting the odds, God bless her.

Hello Bandini.

Bandini wrote:
One of those who gave a statement to Op. Conifer (and TDF will know who I'm referring to) is a staunch 'Nick' supporter and, in one of those odd quirks of fate, had his Heath-free website set up for him by the 'Horror from Holland' who I see mentioned on a recent thread here..

Ah yes indeed.

What I've only just noticed is that according to the Telegraph last November, two arrests have been made in relation to Operation Conifer and though we are not allowed to know who has been arrested, or why, apparently the arrests related to "child protection and not perverting the course of justice" (the latter being police code for, "we think you're making it up").

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/14/two-...nto-child-abuse-all/

JK2006 wrote:
Welcome Bandini; had an hour on the phone today with the remarkable AR and she is still fighting the odds, God bless her.

good to hear.

Mr Veale strikes me as a strange cove. Is he one of that small group in various Plod Forces who are ardent Christians and believe in Satanic abuse?

Ted Heath as a single never married man of mysterious sexuality is an easy target and these fanatical Christians cannot abode such a type.

Who is this woman from Holland posters have mentioned?

Hello Randall. It's a rabbithole I'd recommend skirting around at best, but...
www.kingofhits.co.uk/component/option,co...d,2/id,88196/#158606

And I was genuinely amazed to see her pop up here not so long ago:
annaraccoon.co.uk/2016/11/19/confession-...nt-18205726434461343

At times it's hard knowing what has been a childish internet squabble turned nasty & what has been... something else. Some names just keep popping up, time and time again, and this is one of them. For example, one of the many odd alliances formed has been between the aforementioned & a man with two upcoming court cases for 'stalking' alleged victims. That man is 'Ryan Tanner' from Richard Webster's famed book:
www.richardwebster.net/print/xbrynestynchapter1.htm

(I haven't followed these allegations in any depth, and the word 'stalking' is bandied around with such abandon that it's hard to take seriously at times.)

One of those alleged 'stalkees' has been publically named by the ex-Exaro scribblers as their Last Woman Standing: Esther Baker. She appeared yesterday in an astonishing radio interview on the 'Richie Allen Show' courtesy of - who else? - David Icke and his 'network'. Anyone following THIS branch of the madness might find it odd that an accuser in a 'live case' should do such a thing, given her propensity for complaining whenever anyone dares voice the slightest concern over the veracity of the convulted claims. (MPs, Lords & uniformed coppers in forest-based sex-ceremonies with children with a 'piling back to the medical room in Dolphin Square' chaser, for example).

I'll add a link:
www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/e...02-20T13_21_18-08_00

The fun begins around about the 1 hour 6 minute mark (after some revelations about the evils of flouridation by the looks of things). I mentioned yesterday that these crackpots are often remarkably normal (on the surface) and an advert prior to the interview might surprise those who sensibly shy away from all this conspiranoid bullshit: a mortgage lender, trying to flog mortgages to the monied-listeners of David Icke dot com... it comes just before you are invited to sign up to an 'academy' where you will expensively learn the secrets of energy healing with the aid of a peacock feather or summat! Truly, they move amongst us...

The complainant suggests that the media may be at fault for naming those arrested/investigated as it places a strain on the police! I honestly laughed out loud at this, the sheer hypocrisy is astonishing. Anyway, at around the 1 hour 40 minute mark the presenter puts his, er, reputation on the line by declaring that: "She's telling the truth. I believe her." And who could argue with that?!?

Right, that's enough of that!

TDF, I haven't seen it highlighted much but the following caught my eye from the MoS Heath madness:
"Some of those who said Sir Edward abused them are believed to have told police they went on to commit sexual abuse crimes themselves as a result."
Wonder if Heath was wearing rollerskates at the time?!?

TDB, if was your mention HERE that led me over there to comment... I hadn't seen your piece previously. You could have saved me a google and included a link!
headrambles.com/2017/02/09/raccoon-poop-deaths-door-step?

JK, thanks for the welcome but I think I'll go back to my New Year's Resolution now... I don't half ramble on! My regards to Anna, and the best of luck to you one & all.

Interesting blog-post here.

northernvoicesmag.blogspot.ie/2017/02/op....WK1v-nQrdZw.twitter

Bandini wrote:
Hello Randall. It's a rabbithole I'd recommend skirting around at best, but...
www.kingofhits.co.uk/component/option,co...d,2/id,88196/#158606

And I was genuinely amazed to see her pop up here not so long ago:
annaraccoon.co.uk/2016/11/19/confession-...nt-18205726434461343


Thanks. But once again, who is the woman in Holland?

Randall, as Bandini aptly put it

"It's a rabbithole I'd recommend skirting around at best"

The woman from Holland is an online ally of Welsh care home 'survivor' Darren Laverty.

Mr Laverty is to go on trial on charges that he harassed Esther Baker and a London-based journalist (the journalist was formerly briefly professionally associated with...wait for it ...this is really one for the 'couldn't make it up' file....the conspiracy theorist and writer David Icke before they had a bitter falling out.)

As with all such cases, we should bear in mind contempt of court rules and that everyone is presumed innocent until otherwise proven.

Bandini wrote:


One of those alleged 'stalkees' has been publically named by the ex-Exaro scribblers as their Last Woman Standing: Esther Baker.



The same woman appeared in the Oz '60 Minutes" in a hyperventilating show they claimed would "rock the British Establishment to the core" and in a way it did as most of the claims made were from operation Midland that has collapsed in tears.

No charges have ever been laid over her complaints have they?

In the 60 Minute's show they interviewed a chauffeur from Australia House where the Oz High Commissioner works from and his official residency and said chauffeur claimed he ferried "VIPs" every week to Elm Guest House and Dolphin Square in the official Rolls Royce but alas....it was eventually revealed he wasn't a permanent employee at Australia House rather had only ever worked as a temporary driver for 4 days only when the permanent driver was off sick.

Small pesky details that don't seem to bother fanatics.

Thanks, TDF. Now, all this kind of internet - what do we call it? Activism? - is not something I'm familiar with. Perhaps I'm being naive or a bit slow in the head but...

There is a variety of online communities in which people discuss, compare and contrast (in no more than 5000 words) various tales. These range from scurrilous accusations that law-abiding 9' tall lizard beings were fraudulently passing themselves off as 70s celebrities and politicians, to time-travel escapades where people were molested at institutions they had not yet attended, or by people who weren't there at the time.

Then we have criminal prosecutions involving groups of people who have bravely come forward telling strikingly similar tales of sexual victimhood that have in common some features which are unusual to say the least. And these people aren't connected at all, oh no, not at all. So it must be true. What other explanation could there possibly be?

So Rod Liddle writes an article for the Speccy poking fun at the claims and what he views as police incredulity regarding them...and, true to form, the right wing nutters emerge to ventilate their favourite conspiracy theory ("I KNEW it!!! Heath was being blackmailed!!")....see the comments from 'Jackthesmilingblack'....

www.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/pity-the-sat...0-per-cent-gullible/