Just as Ukip was one the verge of winning its first ever UK seat (the one they hold was won as a Conservative who later defected), Ukip seem to be falling apart.

But thats what comes when you lie (for political gain) by saying you lost friends as Hillsborough (just as they lied about the 350 million Brexit money !)

Tories still odds-on (even with the Loonies own polling !) to seize Copeland - a seat Labour have held since its creation over 50 years ago.

This will also be the first time a sitting government has taken a seat from the opposition at a by election since 1982.

The Loonies are heading down the toilet.

Not helped by Toxic Tony sticking the knife in, which was the be all and end all of his intervention allegedly on Brexit.

anyone see the Channel 5 Dispatches prog last night (8pm) that showed how food will rocket after Brexit
(and how food packets have "shrunk" already, to hide the fact that you now get 20% less for the same price)?

How the loonies will squirm when Brexit DOES arrive !

I suspect that Jeremy Corbyn is hoping that Brexit will be as bad as possible in the belief that people will look to him to rescue them. He's not the Messiah, he's just a very nice man.

OBR confirms today that our National Debt is £1,683 billion - so Brexit may be the least of our worries.

We are just borrowing more every month to pay our bills - a further £92 billion last month!

And the Debt is expected to 'deteriorate' further during the final two months of this financial year.

The Tories have now borrowed more, during their current innings, than ALL Labour governments in history - combined.


More austerity looms...

Jo wrote:
I suspect that Jeremy Corbyn is hoping that Brexit will be as bad as possible in the belief that people will look to him to rescue them. He's not the Messiah, he's just a very nice man.

Do you really believe Mr Vacant Stare will be around that long ????

The negotiations will last for 2 years - and it may take up to 8 years to get any sort of trade deal (thats how long it took Canada).

The knives will be out after this Thursday !!!

Spee wrote:
OBR confirms today that our National Debt is £1,683 billion - so Brexit may be the least of our worries.

We are just borrowing more every month to pay our bills - a further £92 billion last month!

And the Debt is expected to 'deteriorate' further during the final two months of this financial year.

The Tories have now borrowed more, during their current innings, than ALL Labour governments in history - combined.


More austerity looms...

Yes - quite shocking just how much debt Labour left us with
(remember the note left by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury? "There's no money left" !)

Meanwhile ... Greece starves - www.express.co.uk/news/world/770016/Gree...U-IMF-Alexis-Tsipras

Remember also that the Greek Finance Minister - who brought all this about,
by encouraging the Greeks to refuse to pay - is now "advisor" to Loony-In-Chief Jeremy Fruitcake !

The Debt that Labour left in 2010 was a small fraction of what it has grown to - getting close (fast) to 2 trillion.

If you are capable- Google it. Then you may (though unlikely) be able to make meaningful comparisons.

Soon the forthcoming budget will confirm the figures published everywhere - and believed, except in Derbyshire.


Contrary links/evidence from you would help your vague/historic assertions - though never available...

In The Know wrote:


Yes - quite shocking just how much debt Labour left us

Perhaps...but sadly you are unable to even guess how much it was...

NO idea...

In The Know wrote:
Yes - quite shocking just how much debt Labour left us with

... but thats not all !

We were also left with all their uncosted spending plans ... and since we have been running a deficit ever since 2008 (meaning we spend more every month than we earn) we have had to continue to borrow more and more each month just to pay Labour's bills !

Just think how much it would have been without the cuts (helping to reign in the spending).

In the space of less than a month, McDonnell seems to have gone full circle.
Having through gritted teeth said he’s no deficit denier, and indicated Labour would vote in favour of the proposal, he’s back to where he started, unbound by any fiscal rule that makes any kind of sense. - from "Labour's approach to the economy has descended into an on the hoof shambles" - www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/11930065/Lab...e-hoof-shambles.html

Click the link above and you can see the debt that Labour left us with going up by the second !

Jeremy Fruitcake is set to become the first official opposition leader to lose a by-election to the Government in 35 years,
according to the Labour Party’s own canvass returns. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/20/excl...tion-partys-canvass/

The Telegraph understands internal analysis of more than 10,000 conversations with voters in Copeland, the Cumbrian constituency, shows Labour’s support down by a third since 2015.

A senior Labour source said Mr Corbyn’s “incompetence� as a political leader is coming up repeatedly on the doorstep when discussing voting intention.

The returns suggest that the Tories will take Copeland – a seat held by Labour for 80 years – when voters pick their new MP next month.

Commies come to Fruitcake's aid in Stoke By Election !

Vladimir Putin has been told by the UK Independence Party to keep out of the Stoke by-election
after usually pro-Russian Twitter accounts started to target the party and its leader Paul Nuttall.

The Russian President - who has been accused by the White House of trying to influence the US
Presidential elections - was given the warning after dozens of Twitter accounts, which are usually
the source of pro-Russian messages, started publishing critical tweets about Ukip ahead of
tomorrow’s Stoke on Trent Central by-election.

The BBC reported how the Twitter accounts were publishing Russian propaganda until a few days ago
and now had switched to pro-Labour – and pro-Jeremy Corbyn - and anti-Ukip comments.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/21/vlad...ia-twitter-accounts/

Spee wrote:
The Debt that Labour left in 2010 was a small fraction of what it has grown to - getting close (fast) to 2 trillion.

If you are capable- Google it. Then you may (though unlikely) be able to make meaningful comparisons.

Soon the forthcoming budget will confirm the figures published everywhere - and believed, except in Derbyshire.


Contrary links/evidence from you would help your vague/historic assertions - though never available...





For a first time didpute what I tpye with a link or evidence that the Tories did not borrow so massively and on an unprecedented rate/level...please quote someone...

EXCEPT yourself ....


(one link. please...please)

Talking about national debt is utterly meaningless without context...i.e., setting it in context as regards % of GDP.

The UK still has its top credit rating, unlike Greece, Ireland, Spain etc. IIRC, the UK did not lose its top credit rating even in the height of the banking crisis/recession in 2008-2009.

To me, the real scandal is that austerity has been enforced to screw the poor at the behest of the bankers when it wasn't even necessary.

Also - and this no defence of the Tories - saying that the Tories have taken on more national debt since 2010 than Labour did in its entire history in government is also meaningless, unless the figures have been adjusted for inflation.

France's debt as a % of GDP is higher than the UK's.

Even the sensible and prudent Germans have a rate not far behind the UK.

Our National Debt was about 50% (of GDP) from 1980 to 2015 - when it hit 90%

Not encouraging for the UK which hasn't posted a Budget surplus since the days of Tony Blair

And evidencing - inter alia - that our tax revenues have been long insufficient to cover our outgoings.

Largely because of the c£50 billion we have to pay, annually, on the Debt.

tdf wrote:
France's debt as a % of GDP is higher than the UK's.

... and why ?

Loony Left Wing Socialists (who are very very unpopular, in case you hadn't noticed !

Spee wrote:
...please quote someone...

EXCEPT yourself ....

.. says the man who quotes himself (in the above post) !!!!

PS Is there an English language version of the above post available ?
Its not just sums that you need to polish up on, is it ???

Still no facts to dispute - or links to evidence your stance.

Goodbye ITK.


tdf seems to be more circumspect...

Spee wrote:
that our tax revenues have been long insufficient to cover our outgoings.

Largely because of the c£50 billion we have to pay, annually, on the Debt.


My God !

I think he's got it !

(only took about 2 years !)