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TOPIC: Can Labour win?
#161783
Can Labour win? 3 Months ago Karma: 49
Yes but only if they side with the Lib Dems and SNP and concentrate their efforts in those areas where the opposition to May could win. A coalition giving certain things to each (for example - tuition fees; a terrific nod to Lib Dems by Labour who want to cut them anyway). A Deputy Lib Dem would control the excesses as Clegg did Cameron (there would have been no stupid Brexit referendum if coalition had won in 2015). Instead of 45%, tax would rise to 42%. But I fear the opposition parties won't do that which will be fatal (plus I don't like Farron much either).
 
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#161787
Spee

Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago  
Yes they can win!

Only 20 years ago they had a 10+% swing - more than halving the number of Conservative seats to only 165.

Many prosperous years followed, with budget surpluses precipitating National Debt reductions.

Something the Tories haven't managed for over 30 years.


Brexit policies (or half policies) will be critical - as will the fact that a Tory government, without a strong opposition, is not a good thing anytime.

And certainly not in an unprecedented, wide-ranging EU exit - with so many unknown consequences and factors.


Not the time to give anyone carte blanche...


 
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#161789
andrew

Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago  
They will according to The Mirror readers. www.mirror.co.uk/money/millions-people-j...byns-labour-10433702

Free Wi-FI in town/city centres just shows that Corbyn is out of touch as it's already out there from the barbers all they way up to Waitrose.

Lib Dems shoot themselves in the foot by saying that will take in more Syrian refugees and a second referendum...sorry Tim seems you like a democratic vote that didn't go your way, you're so much like Clegg.
 
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#161791
Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago Karma: 49
If I wasn't so disillusioned by democracy, I'd vote for Corbyn but I'm not going to vote this year and still feel only a sensible, well worked out coalition will curb excesses. Don't like Fallon; like Clegg a lot (we may see a change back if ghastly cold May wins and Clegg is regarded, as someone who worked with her, as a better head of the Lib Dems). But I do think the polls will change radically and the result in June could, without a stated declared coalition, end up with a similar situation as now. Talk about waste of time.
 
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#161793
andrew

Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago  
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4506434...ity.html?mwv_rm=als1

If Corbyn was a decent man then he would help with investigations about the Rotherham sex abuse cover up or even Diane Abbott would try and sort something out but we know she is a racist and anti-British.
 
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#161794
Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago Karma: 49
Well I know nothing of the sort Andrew. Do you have better sources of information than us?
 
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#161795
In The Know

Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago  
Bookmark this post !

Conservative majority will be 165 seats !
 
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#161796
andrew

Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Well I know nothing of the sort Andrew. Do you have better sources of information than us?

Diane Abbott being anti-British or that there was a cover up in Rotherham.
 
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#161801
Spee

Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago  
Teresa May wanted to stay in the EU - and take the lead in Europe, when Home Secretary.

Saying that being in a 500 million bloc gave us a competitive advantage - and that, leaving it, could lose us investment.

After the Brexit result, the lady now has to negotiate the terms on which we will leave the EU, something she was against.

Not an ideal situation perhaps - akin to having a scrum half as a soccer centre forward.

Being coerced into playing a different game is usually not a good idea...


 
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#161804
Spee

Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago  
Hammond, Javid, Hunt, Truss - and many more - also wanted to remain in the EU.

And now they hollowly argue/negotiate for the opposite¡


 
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Jo

Re:Can Labour win? 3 Months ago  
Spee wrote:
Teresa May wanted to stay in the EU - and take the lead in Europe, when Home Secretary.

Saying that being in a 500 million bloc gave us a competitive advantage - and that, leaving it, could lose us investment.

After the Brexit result, the lady now has to negotiate the terms on which we will leave the EU, something she was against.

Not an ideal situation perhaps - akin to having a scrum half as a soccer centre forward.

Being coerced into playing a different game is usually not a good idea...



I noticed someone commenting under an Independent article about the following part of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung article about Jean-Claude Juncker's visit to Downing Street (The Disastrous Brexit Dinner), and it seems that the person making the comment may have been justified in thinking that Theresa May wants to claim publicly that she's opting for a hard Brexit and under cover of negotiations she hopes to kept quiet from the press engineer a soft Brexit. The person posting the comment also said that the British press seemed to have missed this part of the article.

"The Brexit-crazed tabloid press breathing down her neck ... May also wants to handle other subjects unconventionally: monthly four-day negotiation blocks in Brussels, prepared with position papers. That should all remain secret, she urged, until the conclusion. ...

Protocol 36 dealt with an addition to the Lisbon Treaty, the last major reform of the European agreements. Therein is the hodgepodge of special rules, one of which concerns the British. They had agreed on an opt-out of the entire interior affairs and justice policy. At home, that could be sold as defending British sovereignty. However, for two thirds of the approximately fifty laws concerned, London voted directly to opt back in, having just opted out – in its own interest. No one wanted to draw attention to it. And this is how May now imagined the future relations of the entire Union: officially a hard severance, but in reality, on the basis of self-interest, still together.

Juncker saw himself confronted with a choice: either keep quiet and, if possible, sustain May’s illusions, or counter them. He chose the latter. “The more I hear, the more sceptical I become,” said the head of the Commission. The dinner was half over."
 
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