www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/voter-con...g-attitudes-10436322

A lot of people are disabled but many of them do play the system...I knew people who would say they have depression just to avoid signing on and it worked even though they admitted to me there was nothing wrong with them.

My partner has been signed off for life and rightly so but again this was means tested, even though I'm her carer full time I still have a brilliant work coach at the Job Centre whom has seen what she like also. Again 'if she improves' again IF, then I could go back to work, in this case it won't happen but I'm still in contact with the coach 3-4 times a year.

It's good that the government are getting tough on 'scroungers' but they need to target the legit ones and ones who claim to have every disease and complaint known to man.

She is diabetic also like JK it's on her file, I saw someone at the JC who said they can't work due to having diabetes type 2, when another coach asked 'what else you got health wise' she yelled out 'nothing'.

I do make a little joke about the missus gout but I do have sympathise with her at all times along with everything else I do.

I read recently claims that there are 13 million disabled in Britain
www.independent.co.uk/voices/general-ele...r-cent-a7691451.html

Can anyone really take that figure seriously?
One quarter of the entire population "disabled" ?

If it is true we had better shut down the NHS immediately (and save an awful lot of money) as whatever they are doing, they are doing it wrong !

'scroungers' are everywhere not just the jobcentre. They come from all professions and walks of life. "Workers" dodging work by sickies, giving thir work load to colleagues. Bosses taking credit when they get their underlings the task of creating the projects and doing all the work. It's one of them "human nature things". Also, at the JC there are many who would be grateful for a real chance as well.
Of course those who do not really try will often gavitate to the bottom i.e. the JC(not all as some 'scoungers' have rich patrons etc)

I have been to the JC too often and found getting ahead most difficult so I have a strong personnal interest in how fellow humans treat others. And I do not like what I hear and what I see.
The "getting tough measures" to me show how heartless people can be. If they provided shelter, work and sufficent income, resources so the bottom people could move up then I will listen to their concern about 'scroungers'. NOT NOW as I see their actions show that they are inhuman and remind me of other nasty people in history.
It is time to help and provide workable solutions.

In The Know wrote:
I read recently claims that there are 13 million disabled in Britain
www.independent.co.uk/voices/general-ele...r-cent-a7691451.html

Can anyone really take that figure seriously?
One quarter of the entire population "disabled" ?

If it is true we had better shut down the NHS immediately (and save an awful lot of money) as whatever they are doing, they are doing it wrong !

I wonder if that included a condition called workshy.

Those Tories are dreadfully workshy!

That Teresa May, she has barely even met the public since she announced the election and refuses to have proper debates. What a lazy bum! Someone should cut her benefits.

And as for the House of Lords!

andrew wrote:
I wonder if that included a condition called workshy.

To be fair, andrew, why should they get a job when someone organises their life for them?
They are not short of cash (ever seen a doler who didnt have a shiny new Samsung mobile?)

Its like food banks. People say thats a symptom of society going wrong - its not !
Whenever there is something being given away for free there will be a queue !

Why buy food if someone gives it away?
You can then use the "food money" to buy other "essentials" - like scratch cards, lottery tickets, drugs etc

What we have a duty to do is this - let people know that the gravy train is over !

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
I wonder if that included a condition called workshy.

To be fair, andrew, why should they get a job when someone organises their life for them?
They are not short of cash (ever seen a doler who didnt have a shiny new Samsung mobile?)

Its like food banks. People say thats a symptom of society going wrong - its not !
Whenever there is something being given away for free there will be a queue !

Why buy food if someone gives it away?
You can then use the "food money" to buy other "essentials" - like scratch cards, lottery tickets, drugs etc

What we have a duty to do is this - let people know that the gravy train is over !

They actually MAKE you have a swish phone to be able to sign on. you cant claim without one. (Nor confirm hospital appointments, even if you go to the hospital in person)
The reason why poor people have expensive phones is because these are the ones you can pay for weekly, instead of being able to get the cheapest from Argos or Tesco.
The same applies to household goods.They only have massive widescreen televisions and giant American fridges in those exploitative "Brighthouse"
Shops that let you pay as you go.
Being poor is very expensive.

In The Know wrote:
I read recently claims that there are 13 million disabled in Britain
www.independent.co.uk/voices/general-ele...r-cent-a7691451.html

Can anyone really take that figure seriously?
One quarter of the entire population "disabled" ?

If it is true we had better shut down the NHS immediately (and save an awful lot of money) as whatever they are doing, they are doing it wrong !


The people who design supermarket car parks obviously believe the figures, because half the flipping spaces are disabled. And unused!

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
I wonder if that included a condition called workshy.

To be fair, andrew, why should they get a job when someone organises their life for them?
They are not short of cash (ever seen a doler who didnt have a shiny new Samsung mobile?)

Its like food banks. People say thats a symptom of society going wrong - its not !
Whenever there is something being given away for free there will be a queue !

Why buy food if someone gives it away?
You can then use the "food money" to buy other "essentials" - like scratch cards, lottery tickets, drugs etc

What we have a duty to do is this - let people know that the gravy train is over !

They actually MAKE you have a swish phone to be able to sign on. you cant claim without one. (Nor confirm hospital appointments, even if you go to the hospital in person)
The reason why poor people have expensive phones is because these are the ones you can pay for weekly, instead of being able to get the cheapest from Argos or Tesco.
The same applies to household goods.They only have massive widescreen televisions and giant American fridges in those exploitative "Brighthouse"
Shops that let you pay as you go.
Being poor is very expensive.

The most the Jobcentre will give you for a mobile is about £10 or so.

andrew wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
I wonder if that included a condition called workshy.

To be fair, andrew, why should they get a job when someone organises their life for them?
They are not short of cash (ever seen a doler who didnt have a shiny new Samsung mobile?)

Its like food banks. People say thats a symptom of society going wrong - its not !
Whenever there is something being given away for free there will be a queue !

Why buy food if someone gives it away?
You can then use the "food money" to buy other "essentials" - like scratch cards, lottery tickets, drugs etc

What we have a duty to do is this - let people know that the gravy train is over !

They actually MAKE you have a swish phone to be able to sign on. you cant claim without one. (Nor confirm hospital appointments, even if you go to the hospital in person)
The reason why poor people have expensive phones is because these are the ones you can pay for weekly, instead of being able to get the cheapest from Argos or Tesco.
The same applies to household goods.They only have massive widescreen televisions and giant American fridges in those exploitative "Brighthouse"
Shops that let you pay as you go.
Being poor is very expensive.

The most the Jobcentre will give you for a mobile is about £10 or so.

I can't blame people for not working when they would be better off on benefits. This isn't because benefits are high, but because wages are so low for many people (pushed down by cheap foreign labour), and rents are so high. Probably the highest in Europe. Would you work for negative money. Also most people on benefits are actually working, its just that their wages don't meet their grossly high rents and they need housing benefit.

andrew wrote:
The most the Jobcentre will give you for a mobile is about £10 or so.

You are joking?
Probably not !

Every public library has free internet.

robbiex wrote:
I can't blame people for not working when they would be better off on benefits.

Neither can I ... but that does NOT mean for one second that I should "keep" them.

This isn't because benefits are high, but because wages are so low for many people (pushed down by cheap foreign labour), and rents are so high. Probably the highest in Europe.

We've probably spent around £50,000 educating each and every one of these morons
- is it our fault that they are so thick they are virtually unemployable?

I care my weekly carers allowance along with UC my partner gets her benefits. Yes we will be buggered if we lost any of them.

My partner who is disabled will be voting Tories as she believes that she will bepoked after better than Labour whom won't have the budget for all their polices. Despite having her operation cancelled and delayed for over a year she does not blame the NHS but the lack communication with staff which is true.

There is no way she can go back to work ever abd walking is agony for her but everyday she always looks on the positives of things in life.

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
The most the Jobcentre will give you for a mobile is about £10 or so.

You are joking?
Probably not !

Every public library has free internet.

What libraries where? They have closed them down in the more deprived areas, and those that remain have a huge queue and rationed time.

In The Know wrote:
robbiex wrote:
I can't blame people for not working when they would be better off on benefits.

Neither can I ... but that does NOT mean for one second that I should "keep" them.

This isn't because benefits are high, but because wages are so low for many people (pushed down by cheap foreign labour), and rents are so high. Probably the highest in Europe.

We've probably spent around £50,000 educating each and every one of these morons
- is it our fault that they are so thick they are virtually unemployable?

Yes it is. The education obviously didnt work,did it?

andrew wrote:
I care my weekly carers allowance along with UC my partner gets her benefits. Yes we will be buggered if we lost any of them.

My partner who is disabled will be voting Tories as she believes that she will bepoked after better than Labour whom won't have the budget for all their polices. Despite having her operation cancelled and delayed for over a year she does not blame the NHS but the lack communication with staff which is true.

There is no way she can go back to work ever abd walking is agony for her but everyday she always looks on the positives of things in life.

I agree about the communication with hospitals. I recently had an impossible situation where I had to have two tests close together before an op, but they couldn't co-ordinate the appointments because they operated independently.
I had to go down in person and carry messages between hospitals.
I finally had my op late on Monday, (total abdominal hysterectomy) and was home by lunchtime on Wednesday.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
andrew wrote:
I care my weekly carers allowance along with UC my partner gets her benefits. Yes we will be buggered if we lost any of them.

My partner who is disabled will be voting Tories as she believes that she will bepoked after better than Labour whom won't have the budget for all their polices. Despite having her operation cancelled and delayed for over a year she does not blame the NHS but the lack communication with staff which is true.

There is no way she can go back to work ever abd walking is agony for her but everyday she always looks on the positives of things in life.

I agree about the communication with hospitals. I recently had an impossible situation where I had to have two tests close together before an op, but they couldn't co-ordinate the appointments because they operated independently.
I had to go down in person and carry messages between hospitals.
I finally had my op late on Monday, (total abdominal hysterectomy) and was home by lunchtime on Wednesday.


What's she waiting for another setback is her medication as it's caused complications as she is on blood thinners. So she had to wait until it was out of her system when it did clear her system it was cancelled by accident, so again not NHS but staff error.

I like to know what ITK thinks about UC and other benefits and who thinks are entitled to them ?

andrew wrote:
I like to know what ITK thinks about UC and other benefits and who thinks are entitled to them ?

Don't know too much about it, andrew, except the fact that it helps people to realize just what things actually cost, and is a sliding scale, meaning that people going back into work are receiving some benefit until their income reaches a set level.