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TOPIC: Rolfs out
#161909
MWTW

Rolfs out 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Yes he is free but on bail
 
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#161912
Spee

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
For now...


 
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#161920
In The Know

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
... but in Court (again) on Monday !
 
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#161995
MWTW

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
I bet Rolf is sitting in his garden soaking up the sun.
Tomorrow back in the frame.
 
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#162070
MWTW

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
The bits normally left out of media coverage.
www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40015766
 
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#162128
Andy

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Innocent or an idiot!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40050264
 
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#162137
MWTW

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
POETS day
I really hope the jury members look deep into this and not jump to the easy result that seems to happen on POETS day.
Surely this should either be a very swift NOT GUILTY or a drawn out "I've had enough he must be guilty"
From the very little I have seen reported I cannot see how a guilty verdict can be brought.

I dare say Mark Willy T has been banging one out at all the excitement or Rolf today and the terrible JK news of yesterday.
 
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#162145
Spee

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Jury out - 2pm today


 
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#162146
Spee

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Reconvening on Tuesday...

 
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#162168
John Marsh

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
The three trials of Rolf Harris described lots of very odd behaviour stories for anyone in the public settings in the glare of the audience and cameras plus a well known celebrity.

On the other hand regrettably it is known people commit sexual abuse most times in private and not in the glare of the public eye. And the crazies who do so get spotted and carted off.

The third thing is often reading the trials and stories of the allegations no one can be really sure if it happened or not. Like the kids and the 101 year old. So the only thing about the trials is not guilt or innocence but nothing to prove guilt to the human rights standard beyond the presumption of innocence.

BUT in Rolf's case once one says the stories have to be lies (false memory or similar) then oddities not seen in public disappear as it did not happen, problem solved. And it has always be that simple.

The only ever questionable case was the initial one, the girl eighteen or not when a few consensual encounters happened over a near ten period in trial one.

The rest are similar to the guy in the train station walking past the lady briefly for a second. A pity there was no CCTV in Rolf's case.
 
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#162171
In The Know

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
In The Know wrote:
... but in Court (again) on Monday !

... and in jail again by Tuesday ?
 
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#162240
John Marsh

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Jury Discharged - Failure to reach a verdict

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/rolf...ct-indecent-assault/
 
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#162246
Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 3
John Marsh wrote:
Jury Discharged - Failure to reach a verdict

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/rolf...ct-indecent-assault/


I dont understand this. They weren't deliberating for long enough to decide, surely?
 
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#162248
Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 6
John Marsh wrote:
Jury Discharged - Failure to reach a verdict

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/rolf...ct-indecent-assault/


Will the Crown Persecution Service try again until they get the result they want?
 
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#162256
John Marsh

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
John Marsh wrote:
Jury Discharged - Failure to reach a verdict

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/rolf...ct-indecent-assault/


I dont understand this. They weren't deliberating for long enough to decide, surely?


Honey, I also have had great difficulty in trying to piece together how the system is suppose to work.

From my work experience as an accountant within industry, commerce and local government plus following the stock markets I now see clearly that the justice system in regards police, CPS and trials is very similar to accounting results reporting. That is the aim is not justice but trials with convictions. In accountancy to present the best results there are “cover ups”, “creative accounting” and “straight out lying”. (There are some reasonably honest companies and honest reporting. And honest when all is going well)

So ideally a trial is for presenting “the evidence” for a jury to base their decision on. The evidence for a guilty verdict is ideally suppose to be such that a group of nobodies "off the street" to have no difficulty in concluding that the presumed innocent accused is now guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. And also ideally the judge is supposed to ensure a jury is appropriately directed to ensure a “fair trial” and thus in the ideally rare instant or unexpected turn of events the accused is not guilty or at least the evidence is such that the “beyond reasonable doubt” level cannot be reached then the jury will be able to see the case as such and return not guilty verdict.

That returning “not guilty” is one of the misleading requirements because if the evidence is such where a jury is abused by the judge, police and CPS and maybe according to Prosecutor Jonathan Rees definition “acting wickedly” (that is encouraging possible witness lies as evidence like the misleading accounts reporting) thus a jury is split in trying to decide who is telling the truth. (A situation that is emotional not evidential). The jury understandably can not decide guilt or not guilt. They just do not know .

Thus the jury in the Rolf Harris case must of been split on their feelings of guilt. Not say 9 - 3 but more towards a 6 - 6 level split thus lacking enough in numbers to put emotional pressure on say three or four to at least bring the numbers to a majority of 10 - 2.

That is how I guess it works as the system “covers up” and will not admit problems as that will not make it easy to hookwink the public so they can continue to act wickedly to get convictions on emotion. Forget evidence, accountant don't need accurate reporting so why should courts rely on accurate evidence it only gets in the way.

So my guess is that near even split from the 12 members of the jury (6 - 6) who must of activated their little grey cells over the long week-end plus others who took a firm position based on their beliefs.
 
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#162259
Jo

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
A very interesting analysis, John.
 
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#162260
Spee

Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I know a few celebrities - mainly footballers, although only 3 in the Premiership.

Their Agents/advisors make a strong case against them ever putting themselves at risk of accusations by children/young people.

Always be in the public eye/place where these individuals are concerned...just in case. However, it's probably easier to do, than it sounds.


 
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#162262
Re:Rolfs out 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 6
John Marsh wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
John Marsh wrote:
Jury Discharged - Failure to reach a verdict

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/rolf...ct-indecent-assault/


I dont understand this. They weren't deliberating for long enough to decide, surely?


Honey, I also have had great difficulty in trying to piece together how the system is suppose to work.

From my work experience as an accountant within industry, commerce and local government plus following the stock markets I now see clearly that the justice system in regards police, CPS and trials is very similar to accounting results reporting.


I live close to the town of Worksop. There is a street there that has a police station. Fine you think they have to be somewhere. Next door to that - it's a solicitors office. OK, you might think, that's reasonable. Right next door to that. The Magistrates Court.

Justice in this country is a sausage factory.
 
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