Appalling conditions in prisons - Government must face the consequences (blame bloody May as useless Home Secretary). There will be mass breakouts; numerous riots and deaths; within months. Tragedy is inevitable and it will be on a scale that makes the tower block fire look trivial.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/18/...ons-inspector-report

Allied to this bleak news JK, and mentioned here just a month ago: "... a joint report by the chief inspectors of prisons and probation exposed a system that is not only unfit for purpose, but which may as well not exist ..."

politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/06/...ils-both-individuals

What shape will the tragedy take, asks the media. I'll tell you; someone bright and clever will organise a mass prison break out on the same day at exactly the same time; a dozen jails in the estate, confusing the police and military; and then they will storm other prisons and release inmates from there too. Anarchy will explode. Guerrilla warfare will take over. Banks robbed. Hospitals stormed (for drugs).

Best news I've had in years - and main item on the news too !

Once these anti-socials realise what awaits them they may take more steps to stay OUT of prison in the first place.

This will take a lot of fixing and the public will be hard to get on side, not all May's fault cash has been needed for decades to sort it out although she could of done more.
Problems.
Staff. Lack off. Don't give a toss. Corrupt. Lazy. Bully boys and girls hey Miss Fashola Miss Balogan listen up you pair of wrongun.

Prisoners. Look after the ones that cause trouble. The good ones just doing their time loose out.

Courses. What a load of tick box Bollox that is and complete waste of time. The facilitators do about 3 hours work per shift and don't give an Eff.

Sex offenders. Most are just bed blocking within the prisons (a few need the key thrown away)

Main wings. Run by the bully boys drugs aplenty mobiles aplenty screws bring 95% of the stuff in.

Prison is not a nice place no matter what is told to you its no holiday camp for sure.

Eat sit sleep shit piss 23.5 hours a day if your very lucky 30 mins out of your cell (if on remand not convicted of anything it's the same) no getting to the phones to call home or god forbid you wish to speak with your lawyer solicitor.

It's not supposed to be a nice place but it should not be what it is now.

And is it just a co-incidence that all this comes out on the day France celebrates the storming of the Bastille?

MWTW wrote:
Prison is not a nice place no matter what is told to you its no holiday camp for sure.

Eat sit sleep shit piss 23.5 hours a day if your very lucky 30 mins out of your cell (if on remand not convicted of anything it's the same) no getting to the phones to call home or god forbid you wish to speak with your lawyer solicitor.

It's not supposed to be a nice place but it should not be what it is now.

Why not?

Let's make people afraid of prison - that is a real deterent to crime.

That approach has clearly done little for your spelling ITK! Deterrent.

In The Know wrote:
MWTW wrote:
Prison is not a nice place no matter what is told to you its no holiday camp for sure.

Eat sit sleep shit piss 23.5 hours a day if your very lucky 30 mins out of your cell (if on remand not convicted of anything it's the same) no getting to the phones to call home or god forbid you wish to speak with your lawyer solicitor.

It's not supposed to be a nice place but it should not be what it is now.

Why not?

Let's make people afraid of prison - that is a real deterent to crime.

It would be a bigger deterrent if the sentencing happened soon after the crime.
It is difficult for some to connect actions and consequences, and impossible when it is two years in the future.

There is also something terribly unsporting about punishing someone for something that happened ages ago. (very serious crimes like murder aside)

"Best news I've had in years - and main item on the news too !"

Best add 'would make ideal Auschwitz camp guard' to your CV ITK and apply for a job as a sadistic screw in a prison in North Korea. You'd love it there.

IT the problem is if you have not experienced within the four walls it's easy for it not to be a deterrent it's show as ok in the soaps etc but it's not.
If you put most who were about to commit a crime in prison for 24 hour before hand and say this is what it's like 99% would never go on to commit the crime sounds silly but it ain't.
I met many coming onto wing at Wandsworth who if they had know what prison is REALLY like they would never of downloaded that photo, touched their neice nephew etc etc and of course let's not forget the ones under false allegations on remand the list goes on.
As I have said before, prison you live it 24 hours a day not like at home where you suffer work, trains busses and alike but you go home to your bed this is relentless.
You may just for a few minutes get into a book or tv programme then bang your back there in jail noise smells arshoes mentally ill druggies dirty smelly degenerates.
The ones that like going back can only have a very sad life outside I promise you it ain't nice not one little bit.

Peter wrote:
apply for a job as a sadistic screw in a prison in North Korea. You'd love it there.

I bet its a low crime rate !!!!!!

Better then to keep recycling these thugs (at our expense) for the entire lives (again at our expense)?

3 strikes - then they get shot !

MWTW wrote:
The ones that like going back can only have a very sad life outside I promise you it ain't nice not one little bit.

... but its clearly not enough of a deterent to stop people going back is it?

No and it is perfectly clear to those of us who have been in prison that it is not a deterrent to criminals, many of whom enjoy the place and the stricter the better. And, like immigrants, most decent people want to treat human beings in a decent way, no matter what they have done. To do or wish otherwise makes us as bad as them.

The saying "hurt people hurt people" is simplistic but true, and the more you hurt them the more they do it.

I spent a lot of my time in prison talking and listening to men who had never spoken to anyone and every single one of them had decent sides to their characters and appreciated my communication. Most of them could neither read nor write.

JK2006 wrote:
I spent a lot of my time in prison talking and listening to men who had never spoken to anyone and every single one of them had decent sides to their characters and appreciated my communication. Most of them could neither read nor write.

I am very glad that you could make things a bit brighter for them.

The ones who are in and out like a cuckoo clock at midnight have a problem as they normally get short sentences so in for a few months then out again but if you got let's say 3 months for something the second time you should get 6 then 12 then 24 so keep doubling the sentence for each time you commit a crime.
As JK says some love it inside, free meals a bed tv don't have to work but if you do have a job inside unless it's kitchen work which is 7 days the other jobs mostly get cancelled due to staffing issues also its about an hour in the morning and the same pm.
. Your up at 8.30 lunch is from 11.30 to 1 tea is 4pm to 6 pm does not leave much time to do anything else apart from Jeremy or loose women.

ITK your view is very simplistic where as the real story needs to be lived and as I said before if you went to stay in a prison for 24 hours you would very much not want to return.
One guy I knew was in and out 4 times in 2 half years he got his first sentence for dirty phone calls! The second for touching a girls bum while pissed the next two were breaches of licence condition linked to being drunk. Funny as he lives not far from JK a really nice bloke but the dreaded drink lets him down.

MWTW wrote:
The ones who are in and out like a cuckoo clock at midnight have a problem as they normally get short sentences so in for a few months then out again but if you got let's say 3 months for something the second time you should get 6 then 12 then 24 so keep doubling the sentence for each time you commit a crime.
As JK says some love it inside, free meals a bed tv don't have to work but if you do have a job inside unless it's kitchen work which is 7 days the other jobs mostly get cancelled due to staffing issues also its about an hour in the morning and the same pm.
. Your up at 8.30 lunch is from 11.30 to 1 tea is 4pm to 6 pm does not leave much time to do anything else apart from Jeremy or loose women.

ITK your view is very simplistic where as the real story needs to be lived and as I said before if you went to stay in a prison for 24 hours you would very much not want to return.
One guy I knew was in and out 4 times in 2 half years he got his first sentence for dirty phone calls! The second for touching a girls bum while pissed the next two were breaches of licence condition linked to being drunk. Funny as he lives not far from JK a really nice bloke but the dreaded drink lets him down.

I dont think booze can make you harass and molest people. It sounds as if your friend needed specific treatment.

We are all criminals. ITK must be one of the few rare exceptions (there are always exceptions). I'm another, of course!

www.weareallcriminals.com