Operation Sanctuary: Newcastle gang guilty of sex grooming

"It emerged that police paid a convicted child rapist £10,000 as an informant."

Have you ever wondered whether any of the men convicted as being part of Asian grooming gangs were falsely accused?

My suspicion, Jo, is gained from personal experience - police, media and lawyers always inflate, exaggerate and train "victims" to do the same. Many people convicted are indeed guilty of an offence but frequently not the crime for which they are serving or have served long sentences. So willing participants decide, often unintentionally, that they were not willing. Ages get changed (always downwards). Small gifts turn into large payments. Enthusiastic consensual sex becomes violent rape. Yes; there are totally false allegations and yes; there are absolutely real rapes and abuse and violence. But I think the majority are neither; stuck in the middle.

Watching the Police Press Conference - the question I would ask, as media, would have been whether the payment to a child rapist was in fact hiring someone to entrap people into doing things or asking about things they would never otherwise have thought or done in order to get increased budgets, promotions and media praise for solving crimes that possibly never took place or would otherwise never have taken place?

The more one hears the more this sounds like Entrap A Geordie Paki.

Not one paper or commentator has picked up on this possibility - that police now work and pay in order to create crimes to solve, for image purposes. Or am I bonkers?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40882797

Not new this payment to convicts.
I know of a few guy taken out from Wandsworth for a ride and a chat.
Many of the downloaders caught during 2008/9 were only caught because a down loader was sat in front of a laptop and asked that if he could gain access into closed /members/special access areas his life could be made very comfortable with a move to a prison closer to home with also the carrot of the possible removal of an IPP but the officer said "I do not have that level of authority but this will help" I cannot go into more detail sorry. The guy I knew was heavy time into the so called rings of the downloaders.
Another who was ex military and ex Met police undercover got taken out and interviewed by top brass on both Mill n Met and if he promised to keep completely zipped up about a bodged operation (exceedingly high profile) his sentence for what he did would be greatly reduced and it was he actually only did 2 months inside of a fair old sentence. I had come back to wano in the sweatbox with him his first night and my just over a year I knew he was not your normal crim and just said "don't worry you will be ok" he spent his first night in with a complete OCD inmate and the next morning I got him moved for his own safety. I became his confidante and again why I will not speak of what it was.

My point is this a lot of people inside are in for something they did 100% how they were portrait in court by CPS and police another, some were more than not guilty and I could expand but not on this thread.

We're all those guys guilty? I know not but it's the tip of the iceberg both ways for sure

JK2006 wrote:
Not one paper or commentator has picked up on this possibility - that police now work and pay in order to create crimes to solve, for image purposes. Or am I bonkers?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40882797

Well,the whole idea is bonkers. I cant understand why anyone would think it is ok to do this,or why the newspapers dont understand that they are ignoring the BIGGER BETTER story?

Sarah Champion MP says 'consider race and culture'

Of the 18 names listed here, only three are listed as pleading guilty. Not that this proves that the others didn't plead guilty, let alone were innocent, but it would be interesting to know how they pleaded.

Perhaps there's a risk of a Savile effect with Asian men now if the police feel they have something to prove and if others see an opportunity to make money. If it really is racial/cultural crime, countries with people of similar background would surely have similar problems.