The definition of a CHILD according to the Children and Young Person's Act 1933 (never repealed) is "a person under 14".

I'm sure everyone agrees that innocent little 15 year olds need to be protected (and society needs to be protected against some of them who carry knives) but surely...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5156669...15-year-old-boy.html

Chronic staff shortages, food running out and a surge in violence were among the findings of a critical prison report into Wormwood Scrubs.

Inspectors also found areas of the west London jail were strewn with litter, attracting rats and cockroaches.

Chief inspector of prisons Peter Clarke said the findings painted an "extremely concerning picture".

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said the jail was recruiting staff in a bid to "urgently" raise standards.

Wormwood Scrubs 'dangerous for officers'

The HM Inspectorate of Prisons' report said Wormwood Scrubs, which holds more than 1,200 men, had high levels of often serious violence, resulting in some significant injuries.

It also detailed how food routinely ran out in one wing, with staff having to source a half-used tray from another servery or distribute "mountain survival" dried food packs.


There had been a "dramatic" increase in violence against staff, with more than 90 assaults in the six months to July, when inspectors visited the jail
Far too many windows facing the perimeter wall were broken, which enabled prisoners to retrieve contraband thrown over the wall
The prison stores had not been open for many weeks, leaving staff to "scavenge" for many basic items needed by inmates
A case sample found important aspects of public protection work had not been done, potentially leaving some serious issues unmanaged

Publishing the latest assessment, Mr Clarke said: "Wormwood Scrubs is an iconic local prison serving communities in London.

"Overall, this was an extremely concerning picture, and we could see no justification as to why this poor situation had persisted since 2014.

"The governor and his team were, to their credit, working tirelessly to address the problems faced."
'Significant improvements'

The MoJ said the prison had taken "decisive action" to reduce violence and was working to urgently improve conditions.

A spokesman said: "We know staffing remains an issue, so we are recruiting 120 extra officers and will cut the time taken for new recruits to begin training.

"The addition of new, senior probation staff has also led to significant improvements in resettling offenders into the community following release.

"We are pleased inspectors recognised the hard work and dedication of staff at the prison, especially in improving education and purposeful activity."

Wormwood Scrubs prison sees 'surge wrote:
Chronic staff shortages, food running out and a surge in violence were among the findings of a critical prison report into Wormwood Scrubs.

Oh, nice to see some good news !
At least the inmates might not be so keen to go back !!!!!!!!!!!!


"We are pleased inspectors recognised the hard work and dedication of staff at the prison, especially in improving education and purposeful activity."

Why waste further money?
They've already had £50 spent on their education (appx figure) ... so why waste any more?
They have found their - chosen ! - place in life.
Let them live with it.

JK2006 wrote:
The definition of a CHILD according to the Children and Young Person's Act 1933 (never repealed) is "a person under 14".

I'm sure everyone agrees that innocent little 15 year olds need to be protected (and society needs to be protected against some of them who carry knives) but surely...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5156669...15-year-old-boy.html

Not a paedophile. He is too old for that. But definitely a fool.

...and they still play 'Maggie May' on the radio.

"'It may be that on his part he wanted to brag about what was happening with you but at 15 he was not in a position to understand the long term effects that was going to have upon him."

and a judge knows this how?

Are all those people who had sex young in Europe where the legal age is below the UK (most of Europe) walking around traumatized?

I put it this way : if the lad is sensitive he may feel more traumatized as he gets older knowing a person has been jailed because he decided to get his rocks off.
This may haunt him his entire life.

If he's an insensitive little bastard he probably won't give a stuff and just get on with life, without trauma.

And this highlights a problem within the judiciary and society: fallacies are pumped out like some sort of religion that bear no comparison to real life.

Further more: this judge has now committed an act of child abuse which will become adult abuse: he has ensured a ream of newspaper reports will now tell the "victim" that his "life has been ruined".

every normal failure he may have could be built into this experience and grow and fester within his mind.

Very well put Hedda!

Excellent post from hedda!

These myths about "trauma" and "brave survivors" and all the other rubbish are mantras. They are an effort to hypnotise the mantra chanter and anyone in earshot, to numb people's naturally in-built bullshit detector. Or more cynically, it's just an attempt to drown out reasoned criticism. I also think of the famous Goebbels quote

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

We can also see this with other Left-wing subversion campaigns: white privilege, patriarchy, rape culture etc. All made-up, non-existant bullshit. It reminds me of slogans hurled around ad nauseam during Soviet purges or The Cultural Revolution, or indeed McCarthyism.

However, the next bit of the Goebbels quote is less well known

"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie."

Increasing numbers of people are realising that these mantras do not correspond with reality as it can reliably be observed. If courts and other state organs can't demonstrate even basic competency in recognising what's real and what's make-believe, they will lose legitimacy and start to be ignored. There's a hint of that in this case, where the father of the accused made a small protest.

Randall wrote:
Excellent post from hedda!

These myths about "trauma" and "brave survivors" and all the other rubbish are mantras. They are an effort to hypnotise the mantra chanter and anyone in earshot, to numb people's naturally in-built bullshit detector. Or more cynically, it's just an attempt to drown out reasoned criticism. I also think of the famous Goebbels quote

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

We can also see this with other Left-wing subversion campaigns: white privilege, patriarchy, rape culture etc. All made-up, non-existant bullshit. It reminds me of slogans hurled around ad nauseam during Soviet purges or The Cultural Revolution, or indeed McCarthyism.

However, the next bit of the Goebbels quote is less well known

"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie."

Increasing numbers of people are realising that these mantras do not correspond with reality as it can reliably be observed. If courts and other state organs can't demonstrate even basic competency in recognising what's real and what's make-believe, they will lose legitimacy and start to be ignored. There's a hint of that in this case, where the father of the accused made a small protest.

I fully agree, Randall. (and Hedda). I believe younger adults need protecting from themselves as much as others, but this has been blown all out of proportion.

Do twenty-eight year old men usually get such a harsh sentence for "consensual" sex with fifteen year old girls?