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#174693
Brian R.

Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
There is an insightful contribution from a member of this forum to a new free speech project at www.inquisition21.com


The context is

Google has advanced its censorship policies to a purge of YouTube thinkers who air ideas which are opposed to its own ideological stance. In the latest purge, no Leftist Youtubers were removed. Of the political bloggers, only conservative and classical liberal content providers were suppressed. For some it was temporary, but for others it was Adios, Amigo! We urgently need a free speech defence project.


To see his contribution scroll down to the heading ‘Reply from P in the UK’ at www.inquisition21.com/read21.php?CATT=12270
 
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#174741
andrew

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Consertive Mark Dice and InfoWars are being screwed by YouTube.

Yet YouTube does nothing to shutdown hatred from the left.

Yes they are only 2 genders.
 
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#174750
hedda

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
what can I say..this is utter bullshit.

Among those being removed are the nutters endlessly fuming about 'Secret Family Courts' and posting highly defamatory claims about innocent people.

The idiotic claim that "left wing hate" remains while 'right-wing' posts or feeds are removed is nonsense. You only need a 5 minute perusal of Youtube to see both remain in 1000s of videos and posts.

What is happening is that Youtube now realise they are close to being sued Big Time by 10,000s of innocent parties.

The school shootings in the USA are partly responsible for Youtube, Facebook and Google suddenly becoming pro-active as numerous countries declare Internet Libel can be pursued in the courts.

# one small case is the successful libel case in South Australia where Google has been successfully sued several times now for not removing links to defamatory websites. In the Duffy Vs Google Inc which she won, Google stepped up and threw $Millions at an unsuccessful appeal and even after losing that have tried every trick in the book to frustrate the High Court's decision....this will unravel as a further lawsuit is being prepared to state that.

## the huge settlement in Ireland (secret but I'm told it £120K) by Facebook to a young teenager who was the victim of Revenge Porn may launch 10,000s of similar cases against Google / Facebook and Youtube because they foolishly based their HQs there for dodgy tax reasons/

And this is another reason the Irish government freaked out after the EU demanded Google pay the Irish government E47million in tax and E22Billion in advertising revenue.

As for Alex Jones..Jones is going down big time because of his endless promotion of idiotic False Flags re mass school murders etc etc. He back peddled like crazy after claiming the Sandy Hook murders never happened when faced with a massive law suit from parents...and several lawsuits are being prepared right now over similar tragedies including the latest Florida killings.

Google, Youtube and Facebook are privately owned entities and can make the rules. They decide if you have broken them and decide what the penalty is.
If you don't like it everyone is free to start their own similar internet forums.

What is changing here is that the law in many countries is catching up to these giant (tax avoiding ) entities who think they are above the law

This is what happened in Ireland: they pandered to these internet giants and it back-fired badly.

Youtube's actions have zilch to do with politics and are about limiting financial damage.
 
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#174757
hedda

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
I suppose one could say Youtube has acted on "right wing" channels...the Daily Mail's Youtube channel has been suspended.

But it's nothing to do with politics..it's because there have been a rash of complaints about the Mail breaching people's copyright by just basically nicking their videos without either payment or permission.

YT has certainly become very active in the past few weeks but it's zilch to do with politics and everything to do with money and the protection of profits and the avoidance of potential lawsuits.

Google, Youtube, Facebook..all the tech giants are completely non political and totally amoral in their pursuit of profit all using that annoying old US canard of "free speech" which has been perverted into the freedom to defame, lie, pervert, and harass.

That's rapidly changing with proposed new EU, Canadian and other countries laws.
ie: Google fought tooth & nail and spent $Millions attempting to stop France extending their Right To Be Forgotten world-wide rather than just Europe.

re: the Inquisition 21 article..it cites no examples of the claimed censorship. Whilst it correctly points out there are endless and infuriating mentions of damaging campaigns such as the revival of the McMartin hoax...there are endless publications of the opposite view and that applies to just about every subject favored by the left or the right.

I think the big difference is that the so-called 'feminazis" of the #MeToo movement (mentioned) etc are incredible fanatics who seem to have boundless energy and are relentless in their actions.

Whilst fanatical far leftists may be having incredible success..they are outmaneuvered by the rise of the far-right and Fascism which is far better funded and are having spectacular successes..easily exampled by the election (by fraud) of Donald Trump who appears to completely untouchable no matter what laws he breaks.

Likewise the endless false campaign to paint Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party as the extreme left when they are no such thing..in their current position they are the Labour Party (whether you loathe or love them) of traditional ideals and policies they always were until Blair & New Labour basically became the Conservatives and pushed the Tories to the extreme right as "free market" fanatics.
 
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#174758
hedda

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
why did I even bother with this thread?

I just realized it was a promotion for the ludicrous card-carrying Bigot of Woo Prof Jordon Petersen (so much for the claim 'free speech' is under attack when he still has his Youtube channel intact)...the rising star of the alt-right.

Paterson says nothing new we haven't heard for the last 60 years..same old right wing claptrap about 'political correctness" etc etc. The same people who worship at the feet of Paterson adore the ghastly Milo.

The best I can say of him are the titles given by others: the Professor of Piffle and "the stupid man's smart person"
 
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#174759
Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Yes it has always been interesting to watch companies change as they grow - remember My Space? I was early on it and on Google and You Tube; I've not really bothered with the latest crop - Instagram etc.
 
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#174762
hedda

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Yes it has always been interesting to watch companies change as they grow - remember My Space? I was early on it and on Google and You Tube; I've not really bothered with the latest crop - Instagram etc.

Indeed My Space for which Murdoch paid an absolute fortune for. It was at the same time when I was working for news Ltd and Lachlan Murdoch sent a memo around to all staff to "avoid using the internet-it's a passing fad"

An interesting interview with a Silicon Valley tech veteran who believes Facebook days are numbered as it's become the venue of choice for the over 40/60s and that anyone under 40 is seeking a new forum and most definitely anyone under 25 does not want to be on Facebook because their parents are also there.

He has a point..and it's why I thought people were mad buying Facebook shares...advertisers don't want to target the over-50s (except for Funeral Insurance) they want the teenagers.

as for Peterson...a psychologist (posing as a philosopher)..every vicious campaign against innocent people, witch hunts etc etc has the sticky fingers of a psychologist behind it.
Line them all up against a wall and shoot them ! (there's good old fashioned Marxism for you Peterson !)
 
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#174769
Brian R.

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
A few links from YouTubers suggesting that it was predominantly small 'c' conservatives, such as these:
InfoWars YouTuber (small 'c' conservative) interviewing Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad - classical Lockean liberal):

Libertarian conservative Stefan Molyneux interviewing Carl Benjamin:

Small 'c' conservative Dave Cullen describing the purge:


None of these people are "alt-right", and Professor Peterson certainly isn't (he's a classical liberal). "Alt-right" is yet another insult the Left have tried to weaponise to suppress wrongthink (truth). Anyone to the right of Mao Zedong is alt-right according to the Left, which makes John Stuart Mill and Roger Scruton Nazis.
Socrates put it rather well: "When the argument is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
 
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#174770
andrew

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Is MySpace still in existence?

Milo was great but has now sold himself out. And is just being controversial for the sake of it.
 
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#174771
andrew

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
youtu.be/snViuRNT5Jk

youtu.be/kamIXXdBxxo

YouTube are taking down videos conspiracy theories Theories...I wonder who they protecting?

theoutline.com/post/3550/youtube-bans-co...zd=2&zi=hb4vaifn
 
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#174778
Brian R.

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
One of the advocates in the network here in Ireland which assists families fleeing here from the UK to prevent their children being seized by the family courts has replied below to Hedda. The fleeing families have been widely covered by UK and international TV channels and the programmes can be seen on www.ectopia.org
His reply
Hedda may wish to revisit his comment “Among those being removed are the nutters endlessly fuming about 'Secret Family Courts' and posting highly defamatory claims about innocent people”
One of those ‘nutters’ just happens to be the President of the Family Division himself: Sir James Munby, as widely reported, not just by the Telegraph but across many legal publications:
“Judges would benefit from greater public scrutiny, the President of the Family Division has suggested.
Speaking at an event on social media and the family courts earlier this week, Sir James Munby claimed modern judges are prone to making mistakes because they are “grotesquely overworked” and “tired”. One solution to this problem, he suggested, would be greater transparency in the family courts – a recurring topic with Britain’s most senior family law judge.
According to a report in The Telegraph, Sir James insisted that judges should not be “immune from criticism” and that journalists should be able to say “the whole thing [ruling] is flawed, the premises are all wrong, the facts are all wrong“.
But, he explained:
“The simple fact is that at present journalists can’t do that without access to the evidence and without reporting what went on in court and saying well, this judge seems to be listening to a different witness than I, and the impression I got from listening to this witness was X,Y,Z and the judge says A,B,C. So I think there are very real problems there.”
The veteran judge added:
“We’ve got to be much more honest about this, and if we are honest about it, things go wrong.”
Many parents “in these care cases” leave family court without understanding what happened during the hearing, the President suggested.
“And that is an indictment of our system, not of them.””
Of course it’s not the first time the respected judge has weighed in on the ‘secrecy’ of the family courts, and he has pursued a series of reforms to bring greater transparency. In 2014 he issued guidance aimed at encouraging judges to publish judgments on Bailii, he also introduced a pilot of family hearings being held in public, and the release of documents to the media. The latter to include case summaries, skeleton arguments of the case, and documents which are issued during fact-finding hearings.
It can hardly be said that the ‘nutters’ don’t have a point. As Munby also said removing a child from their parents is the most draconian thing the State can do absent the death penalty. Hedda’s crass comment that paints all the critics of the secret family courts as ‘nutters’ is not only insulting to many thousands of families who have experienced this form of ‘justice’ behind closed doors with little or no public scrutiny, but the comment is clearly not based upon the facts themselves. I do wonder who these ‘innocent people’ are that are being defamed?
The family courts are not secret but do lack scrutiny, they preserve the privacy of those involved in the proceedings, particularly children. What they also do is prevent individuals being able to talk openly about their own families, many find themselves ‘gagged’ by injunctions, imprisoned for doing so. Free speech is curtailed by the family courts more often than many think.
My personal experiences in supporting families who find themselves before the family courts have confirmed that neither the courts nor judges are inherently corrupt, the system that drags families there though has a level of corruption by its inherent institutionalised approach. The proponents of child protection work to a formula, they have a modus operandi (see www.nkmr.org/en/import/2521-the-rhetoric-case-by-linda-arlig) and it is the tainted ‘evidence’ that they present to courts that leads many families to level accusations of corruption at the court itself, when in reality a judge is simply working on the balance of probabilities based on what they see and hear from the social workers. When the system works not on a transparent, objective level but a formula that actively fabricates evidence, makes accusations that have no basis in fact or reality, that uses ‘hired guns’ of psychologists who misapply psychological assessments and make sweeping claims of ‘traits’ (not diagnoses, just ‘traits’) of mental health issues that have never been seen previously by any medical professional, then it is understandable that many will seek to expose it.
Of course the removal of the ‘nutters endlessly fuming about 'Secret Family Courts'’ only adds fuel to the fire; if the ‘nutters’ didn’t have a point then why would anyone need to have them removed?
 
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#174783
andrew

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Paul Joseph Watson only tells the truth which many news outlets don't - mainly they are scared of being a 'dubbed' racist.

Rotherham sex scandal is still being swept under the rug


www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nation.com.pk/18-...osques%3fversion=amp
 
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#174818
Brian R.

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Lecturer banned from giving talk on free speech

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5511647...alk-free-speech.html
 
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#174820
andrew

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
www.thesun.co.uk/news/5818059/isis-photo...-prisoners/#comments

What are our world leaders doing about this then?
 
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#174825
andrew

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Brain, what I have learned from Tucker Carlson, Mark Dice (read his books) and Owen Shroyer; the left only like free speech if goes with their ideology and idoitcy. They debunk science also unless it goes with their views.

youtu.be/vqyOLnVW6KU
 
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#174828
andrew

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Brian R. wrote:
Lecturer banned from giving talk on free speech

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5511647...d-giving-talk-free-s peech.html



youtu.be/QuHGbVfjX5s

youtu.be/2-D4rWPCo3U
 
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#174852
andrew

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Perhaps YouTube should take down explicit hip hop at the same time.

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#175072
holocaust21

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
The discussion of alternative platforms is something that has come up on my blog. Unlike the platforms mentioned on the youtube video Brian linked to, the ones I've discussed use revolutionary new technology to create a decentralised internet. You can see my summary here: holocaust21.wordpress.com/2018/03/11/dec...lising-the-internet/

Some of those options are a little futuristic (e.g. Maidsafe, which is theoretically the best project of all, is not finished). However, in terms of a semi-decentralised youtube-like platform that works now and can potentially reach large audiences with relative ease I would recommend d.tube/

I saw Gab.AI mentioned, however, theantifeminist recently left a comment on my blog, which I'll reproduce below, that raises serious questions about this platform:

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Vitalik Buterin, the founder of Bitcoin rival Ethereum tweeted his opinion that simple posession of child porn should not be illegal (as it still isn’t in Russia). The official Twitter of Gab.AI tweeted in response with a screenshot of that (soon deleted) tweet of Vitalik’s, urging all their followers to denounce him as a child porn apologist and report him to Twitter. So Gab.AI, supposedly the bastion of free speech, considers you a thought criminal who ought to be silenced if you question cp laws.

I did screen grab all this, so I might make a post about it on my site.
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So, there we go... Maybe not Gab.AI!

On another note Donald Trump seems to be about to sign a new law that will make service providers criminally responsible for user-generated content on their platform. This has got to be literally the worst violation of the first amendment ever, yet because it has been passed as part of a sex trafficking bill it seems that even when I post it on r/libertarian all the so-called libertarians downvote me! I mean WTF? See my blog post here: holocaust21.wordpress.com/2018/03/24/don...the-first-amendment/
 
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#175117
Brian R.

Re:Free speech 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Thanks Holocaust21. I will try to bounce those alternative platforms off Dave Cullen if I can reach him.
Peter E in the UK has now made an excellent contribution to the free speech discussion at
www.inquisition21.com/read21.php?CATT=12276
 
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#175232
holocaust21

Re:Free speech 6 Years ago  
Peter E makes several very valid points in his article. However, contrary to what he suggests I do not believe that the supposed oppression of women in Islamic countries is true, see here: www.avoiceformen.com/gynocentrism/the-my...-oppression-in-iran/

Also, whilst I appreciate that Paul Joseph Watson has been influential in giving feminism a bad name he has also said things along the lines that paedophiles should have a bullet through the head (this was in reference to a non-offending self-described "virtuous paedophile", Todd Nickerson). And this alt-rightist attitude has unfortunately also had the consequence that some people now don't see age of consent laws as a consequence of feminism, despite the fact that they were historically promoted by feminists and continue to be promoted by feminists.
 
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