You cannot all be paranoid Surrey Police officers terrified I'm going to reveal things that will get them fired (I am; but not here). A huge amount of people read every thread (on average thousands a day) but these days very few post. We've even lost bloody ITK! So start posting - even if it does require more effort than the 140 characters demanded by Twitter (now doubled I believe - big deal). Whilst it makes great sense these days to precis - most readers cannot cope with depth - let us avoid the superficiality of modern life. We'll be saying stupid things like Brexit means Brexit next. And Surrey Police - you're welcome to read and post too, especially if you've got any shit on the bosses.

It is a bit off-putting when other posters feel the need to censor and review your posts, and snipe at every chance.

It's Summer so we are all out enjoying the rain.

Yes Honey it is rather off putting to have to put up with snide, thoughtless or unpleasant commentary but sadly that is a chunk of the global population and therefore will be a chunk of our visitors - and if unpleasant or spiteful, the worst comments tend to be deleted at source.
But believe me the vast majority really appreciate and agree with your thoughts - I know from all the e-mails I got during my enforced silence, some of which assisted my acquittal.

I'm in trouble I did what you said JK but the problem was it was a poster in a bus stop !

I do put posts up and then half the time no one comments on them, like the one earlier about the real marigold hotel.

JK2006 wrote:
Yes Honey it is rather off putting to have to put up with snide, thoughtless or unpleasant commentary but sadly that is a chunk of the global population and therefore will be a chunk of our visitors - and if unpleasant or spiteful, the worst comments tend to be deleted at source.
But believe me the vast majority really appreciate and agree with your thoughts - I know from all the e-mails I got during my enforced silence, some of which assisted my acquittal.

That is good to know. how on earth did the emails help? (if you can say)

For me, I tired of endless posts about "sex crimes" and all views pertaining..In absentia, there were some posts that seemed to see this site as a repository of views against laws protecting children.

I couldnt be bothered posting the point that you deny the earlier offences and have now been found not guilty of later accusations.

I have put a couple of unrelated to sex - yawn - posts up and zero response...We need to get the "non sex obssessed" NSOs? posting again...

OK, some posts may be challenging but that's the way it's going to be on Johnathan King's forum. Those of us who experienced some form of grooming in underage years may gravitate towards a forum like this for obvious reasons. We are not all 'hang all child molesters' fanatics. Some of us believe in due process and proportionality. We are in an age of total lunacy: saturation levels of internet porn encouraging abuse, law keepers and the establishment accepting mad conspiracy theories and the word of ridiculous fantasists-a world turned upside down. When people can't understand things or don't know who to believe they get angry. It's a natural human reaction. I don't think most people know what to believe about Johnathan King, hence the anger.

One Big Question:

with the arrival of the Internets...has come the most extraordinary slew of accusations ever seen.
(case in point: my post re: Kevin Spacey and the 100s of workers who pay the price for allegations against him..not Kevin really as he picked up $1M just for his short work on that film)..the McCanns, the Sandy Hook parents, JK etc etc (even the dead- Savile)...so..

were all these people around before the internet? Did they always think like this? Poison Pen Letter authors were around but they were actually quite rare.

Now they are allowed to post their ravings on the Town Hall Bulletin Board with no recourse for the innocently accused.

Or has the internet created this mob and unleashed a dark part of their soul that was always there?

## further philosophical discussions can be had by taking Hedda to a slap up champagne dinner at a 5-star Michelin restaurant

I honestly think that people just don't know what the hell is going on. We have Argento leading the MeToo movement like the heroine from the Hunger Games when she had just settled for sex with a minor (a 17 year old boy). The MeToo movement was presented as a movement against oppressive men but anyone with some knowledge of life would say that this business of adult women sleeping with underage teenage boys is relatively common. I feel that people are still reeling from the sexual revolution of the 1960s, they are trying to find some sort of framework to deal with the new freedoms it threw up-a classic recipe for a moral panic. Still even moral panics have some core of truth at their heart. Most people who feel they have been abused, including me, believe what they are saying, we are not all liars out for compensation whatever the prevailing thoughts may be on this forum.

We are in this binary where it's either 'believe all victims' or 'they are all liars'. There is so much more to this than this crude approach. Did the much older man who 'loved' me let himself think I was 16 not 14? I can't remember decades on. As Johnathan may appreciate now 14 or 15 years olds tend to let adults think they are older than they actually are. The gay age of consent back then was 21 anyway. Is drunken consent real consent? It was very drunken indeed but signs of consent were there. Should somebody who behaves with the sexual morality of an alley cat be prosecuted if they have not actually broken the law. No, though I suspect many have been. MeToo has not allowed for many ambiguities but I suspect this will have to change.

As the old Joy Division song went: 'Different colours, different shades over which mistakes were made.'

An intelligent post. Thank you.

hedda wrote:
One Big Question:

with the arrival of the Internets...has come the most extraordinary slew of accusations ever seen.
(case in point: my post re: Kevin Spacey and the 100s of workers who pay the price for allegations against him..not Kevin really as he picked up $1M just for his short work on that film)..the McCanns, the Sandy Hook parents, JK etc etc (even the dead- Savile)...so..

were all these people around before the internet? Did they always think like this? Poison Pen Letter authors were around but they were actually quite rare.

Now they are allowed to post their ravings on the Town Hall Bulletin Board with no recourse for the innocently accused.

Or has the internet created this mob and unleashed a dark part of their soul that was always there?

## further philosophical discussions can be had by taking Hedda to a slap up champagne dinner at a 5-star Michelin restaurant

I think it is six of one, half dozen of the other. The internet can be a good thing, but a former Facebook executive has publicly described his former employer as 'corroding the fabric of society'.

Incidentally, if you ever find yourself in Dublin, Patrick Guilbaud's is overrated. I can however recommend Dax on Pembroke Street.

I am sad that so much of the forums is about false allegations but it's understandable as that is the way my life took a turn, since this was founded in the 1990's. The quantity of visits was 90% Music on the TipSheet forum and a mere 10% on other matters here on Your Views - mainly TV, films etc. I'm sure, had I become Global Chairman of EMI, that would have continued - certainly my main ambition would, in that position, have been to retain the magical level of music being an essential, not a cheap luxury, in people's lives. And the Tipsheet board would have been mainly posted on by those behind the scenes - signing, discovering, making music as well as promotion, marketing, selling and downloading, selling... retail, publicity, all the worlds I loved and lived in.

Those who remember those 90's years and the two junior executives we championed (Richard Russell and Simon Cowell) and came to our Record of the Year Shows, when awards were given during non transmission breaks, will agree - that excitement and enthusiasm was vital in Britain and the World. I miss it.

But my new crusade (as detailed in GUILTY) - to change the broken legal system - has taken over most of my life and all of my career; so that's why the focus has shifted, WYOT and others.

Still there are many topics covered and still thousands a day visit here, though most simply read and don't post. And easier forums like Twitter and Facebook now exist.

But this remains an important and very early place - not as long established as The Velvet Rope, which inspired it, but still going. Let us adapt it and spread the word.

Yes I do understand and appreciate the importance of the issues that are appearing at pace re yours and other convictions and Police and CPS practices.

I am personally appalled at some of the evidence against the authorities that is emerging, primarily because it will result in the genuinely guilty and dangerous walking free as the system collapses in a cataclysm of distrust.

It is of course right that this forum in particular highlight this and continue to do so...

But I think that conversely if the subject becomes all consuming with no or few digressions, then this will lead to less people reading these important debates in between alternate discussions...as the site contracts to accommodate a single issue forum.

In the interests of what motivates those who want to see change in Police behaviour; lets's welcome diversion....

wyot wrote:
Yes I do understand and appreciate the importance of the issues that are appearing at pace re yours and other convictions and Police and CPS practices.

I am personally appalled at some of the evidence against the authorities that is emerging, primarily because it will result in the genuinely guilty and dangerous walking free as the system collapses in a cataclysm of distrust.

It is of course right that this forum in particular highlight this and continue to do so...

But I think that conversely if the subject becomes all consuming with no or few digressions, then this will lead to less people reading these important debates in between alternate discussions...as the site contracts to accommodate a single issue forum.

In the interests of what motivates those who want to see change in Police behaviour; lets's welcome diversion....

It would be a great shame if the forum folded.
I had expected a lot of new people posting because of the publicity and also old posters returning.

I think it might be because...
1) we were advised to be very careful what we posted while Mr King was out of action, and not being lawyers (mostly) it probably left people afraid to post anything at all.

2) Some people were posting views which are abhorrent to most people, and not the sort of thing you want your name attached to.(or very helpful)

3) The name changing is creepy. Especially the Badgers, Spees, Barneys and anonymouses (anonymi?)
It excludes newcomers.

4) The timing of the posts being published could do with being a bit more regular.

5) There were some pretty horrible things in the papers that were said to be "evidence" (I assume all of it is bollocks) but, some will believe it all.

I expect as people get fed up with heavily censored chat places they might be glad to come and speak their mind here.
I hope so.

That's brilliant Honey.

Wouldn't go that far - but the longest...

Bravo honey! Very well summarised...and particularly agree point 2 re some of the views...

As for drop offs and new "pen names" yes creepy; seriously, do people think coming on here will lead to some kind of visit by the authorities?

Unless they want to be sued to fuck they need a reason to track your -

Hold on a sec......who's that at the door?...oh I see can I just have 5 mins to put some clothes on? No..er ok bit chilly but, er after you officer.....

JK2006 wrote:
That's brilliant Honey.

Lots of posts didn't pass moderation in your absence...the reason you lost ITK for example was the constant sniping from a poster,mentioned above by Honey... regular name changes,same o!d trolling,constant belittling....but posts mentioning this were deleted.

Moderating can never be easy, but it could be applied better if someone like Honey got involved.

Your board,your choice Jonathan,I'm just happy we had such a good result in court,getting o!d posters back is the icing, you are the cake.