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#184842
hedda

Stephen Fry 1 Week, 4 Days ago  
I've liked Fry- to a point but his pompousness can be aggravating.

People say terrible things about him..so many nasty lies. I often have to defend him against these false accusations (you know what they are and if you don't you're thick) not that I know the truth.

I've always thought he's probably a lightweight though and now he's proved it.

He's defending the awful Rachel Riley who is falsely accusing Noam Chomsky of antisemitism.

This is one of the worst and most horrible slurs and accusations you can accuse someone of.

Riley is claiming Chomsky is antisemitic (despite decades of Chomsky being the victim of antisemitic abuse) because Chomsky defended a pretty nasty Holocaust Denier ..not for his views rather his right to Free Speech.
Chomsky's view is you defeat lie and falsehoods with fact.

He did not agree with his views. Chomsky is not a Holocaust Denier..in fact he's the opposite. Chomsky is possibly the world's foremost intellect and a person who has studied his entire life how governments of all stripes have committed ghastly crimes against people.

I went to a talk Chomsky gave in Melbourne around 7 years ago. It was all about government mendacity from WW1, WW2, Vietnam War to Iraq & Afghanistan. He covered how politicians cleverly lie in the build-up to wars in which 100,000s die.

Chomsky's knowledge of the evils of the Nazis was infinite. He didn't just trot out the stuff we all know about the Holocaust and how Jews were made to suffer, Chomsky brought it down to the level of describing the lives (and deaths of real people on a human level.

He didn't perpetuate the "6 million" claim which he did not dispute (in fact he says the figures should be larger because of the associate deaths of non-Jews killed because they supported Jews) he gave personal stories and said reducing it to that "6 million" figure in fact aided Holocaust Deniers which he says is similar to Stalin's alleged statement.."one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".

I collared him afterwards and described how I had worked on one of the first TV Mini series - The Winds Of War and how I and the location manager had made numerous visits to a little old Polish man in Hampstead who ran the UK branch of the Wiesenthal Centre, for research.

The material we saw there was absolutely horrendous- far worse than anything that has been released in the media (those Germans and their record keeping !).

Chomsky knew the man well (as he did Simon Wiesenthal), described him as an old friend how he often did research among the man's groaning shelves of records of some of the most horrific acts of the 20th Century- those Nazis were pretty good at keeping records and making films and photos of their horrors.

So I have to say how disappointed I am with Fry- just another lightweight like the ridiculous Rachel Riley who is perpetuating a lie about Chomsky (not that he would care).

Riley is moaning that she is being criticize or "trolled" as she relentlessly attacks and insults anyone who dares criticism her views.

Probably still like some of Fry's shows though. But it's always sad when you realise someone really is just another actor with an actor's mentality, albeit able to present himself on a different level.
 
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Re:Stephen Fry 1 Week, 4 Days ago  
hedda wrote:
I've liked Fry- to a point but his pompousness can be aggravating.

People say terrible things about him..so many nasty lies. I often have to defend him against these false accusations (you know what they are and if you don't you're thick) not that I know the truth.

I've always thought he's probably a lightweight though and now he's proved it.

He's defending the awful Rachel Riley who is falsely accusing Noam Chomsky of antisemitism.

This is one of the worst and most horrible slurs and accusations you can accuse someone of.

Riley is claiming Chomsky is antisemitic (despite decades of Chomsky being the victim of antisemitic abuse) because Chomsky defended a pretty nasty Holocaust Denier ..not for his views rather his right to Free Speech.
Chomsky's view is you defeat lie and falsehoods with fact.

He did not agree with his views. Chomsky is not a Holocaust Denier..in fact he's the opposite. Chomsky is possibly the world's foremost intellect and a person who has studied his entire life how governments of all stripes have committed ghastly crimes against people.

I went to a talk Chomsky gave in Melbourne around 7 years ago. It was all about government mendacity from WW1, WW2, Vietnam War to Iraq & Afghanistan. He covered how politicians cleverly lie in the build-up to wars in which 100,000s die.

Chomsky's knowledge of the evils of the Nazis was infinite. He didn't just trot out the stuff we all know about the Holocaust and how Jews were made to suffer, Chomsky brought it down to the level of describing the lives (and deaths of real people on a human level.

He didn't perpetuate the "6 million" claim which he did not dispute (in fact he says the figures should be larger because of the associate deaths of non-Jews killed because they supported Jews) he gave personal stories and said reducing it to that "6 million" figure in fact aided Holocaust Deniers which he says is similar to Stalin's alleged statement.."one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".

I collared him afterwards and described how I had worked on one of the first TV Mini series - The Winds Of War and how I and the location manager had made numerous visits to a little old Polish man in Hampstead who ran the UK branch of the Wiesenthal Centre, for research.

The material we saw there was absolutely horrendous- far worse than anything that has been released in the media (those Germans and their record keeping !).

Chomsky knew the man well (as he did Simon Wiesenthal), described him as an old friend how he often did research among the man's groaning shelves of records of some of the most horrific acts of the 20th Century- those Nazis were pretty good at keeping records and making films and photos of their horrors.

So I have to say how disappointed I am with Fry- just another lightweight like the ridiculous Rachel Riley who is perpetuating a lie about Chomsky (not that he would care).

Riley is moaning that she is being criticize or "trolled" as she relentlessly attacks and insults anyone who dares criticism her views.

Probably still like some of Fry's shows though. But it's always sad when you realise someone really is just another actor with an actor's mentality, albeit able to present himself on a different level.




I am not really sure who Rachel Riley is, but it sounds like the poor woman has gone completely loopy.

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/coun...ells-george-13832211
 
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Re:Stephen Fry 1 Week, 4 Days ago  
She does sums on Countdown. 2 + 2 = 4.
 
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wyot

Re:Stephen Fry 1 Week, 4 Days ago  
Hedda - far from clear from the net how Mr Fry is "attacking" Chomsky as you assert...for being an anti semite.

You allude to "rumours" about Mr Fry from your priviliged position...That we can only assume from your challenge of "idiocy" that we non "media" folk can't understand..

Are you not simply also giving "air time" to a "side" of Mr Fry that I for one (idiot) has never heard prior to your post...

Finally, what is a "lightweight" and why if Mr Fry does indeed disagree with you, does this amount to evidence of "lightweightness"?

Whatever on earth such a non concept means.

Is the definition, not agreeing with Noam Chomsky, or "Hedda"?
 
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hedda

Re:Stephen Fry 1 Week, 4 Days ago  
Rachel Riley (who I think is now out of her depth) is perpetuating the lie that Jeremy Corbyn is antisemitic.

She discovered an age old incident from the 1980s ( she's really on the ball) that has been rehashed time & time again where Noam Chomsky basically said in a speech that a fairly awful French Holocaust Denier should be allowed his free speech (didn't Mark Zuckerberg just say similarly?) and the way to defeat those who perpetuate lies is by fact.

You can make your own mind up if you agree with that...probably agree or disagree until he cows come home

Chomsky said he disagreed with everything this Holocaust Denier said..however that guy decided to include Chomsky's statement in the forward of his book without Chomsky's permission.

Thus this endless debate began which Riley in her campaign to attack Corbyn's Labour dredged up without actually investigating the truth of the matter.

She's remarkably aggressive on Twitter and is now claiming people who criticise her..many are Jewish like performer Michael Rosen as "people who invent their Jewish heritage"..so Riley now basically puts down other Jews who do not agree with her as "suspect Jews" (not the right kind of Jew?) and to make matters worse (for her) actually said in an interview last night that she
"doesn't look like a typical Jew".

Many are asking her what a "typical Jew" looks like.

Stephen Fry has tweeted that he supports her in all of this (I however believe he may quietly do a bit of a side-step soon). Had he read her words? Or was he supporting her because she's in the media albeit a Z-list celebrity?

Hence "lightweight" is certainly a term that can be attached to both Riley & vicariously to Fry for supporting what is an anti-Labour campaign being pursued by Riley with pretty nasty doses herself of antisemitism against those with that old trope that is generally described as "self hating Jews" and demeaning attacks directed at Jews who dare to criticise Israeli government actions.

Gossip about Fry is just that endless Internet chatter where anyone in any position - especially if they have a Jewish background (as approved by Rachel Riley) is part of a Satanic, Rothschild , NWO, Illumninati, Child Eating, @pizzagate etec etc (financed by George Soros) and so on.

## I personally think the over hyped & mainly false campaign directed at Corbyn and Labour (even while all polls- can they be believed- state the general public perceives the Conservatives as being more antisemitic) that has been perpetuated with vigor by the ]Conservative supporting) Jewish Board of Deputies has been one of the most damaging anti-Jewish campaigns in recent UK history and the ramifications will be dire for years to come.

And what is a Typical Jew as Riley says she "doesn't look like"? (answer came there none)
 
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