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5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not)
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TOPIC: 5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not)
#184872
5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
And if we do leave the EU in March; hundreds of thousands more jobs will go and the Brexiteers will be delighted that at least we're not letting filthy foreigners in to fill them.
 
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#184874
Barney

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Even though the Sunderland area is largely dependent on Nissan - with 8,000 workers, and those with suppliers etc. - 56% of the electorate voted to leave the EU.

In Derbyshire, where Toyota play a similar role in the community, a majority also voted to leave - putting thousands of livelihoods at risk.

The biggest examples of foot shooting ever - as both these car giants have numerous
other options.

Nissan have an alliance with Renault, and can easily relocate to France; a country which already has a shareholding in said alliance.


 
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#184876
Barney

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
And Ford have just announced they're scaling back production at their engine building factories in Brigend and Dagenham.

General Motors have already left the UK - when they sold their loss-making Opel Vauxhall business, some months ago.


 
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#184878
Silent Minority

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Had you read the news more carefully Doctor King you would have seen the other reasons....bad sales in China....and the problems with diesels...

....Once the dithering idiots in parliament have got on and delivered Brexit you'll start seeing EU car makers looking at options of avoiding the tariffs,and building some models here....it's basic economics...but those who put political beliefs before economic common-sense.....fill in the blanks....
 
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#184879
Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Well we may see - if Brexit goes through (which I feel less likely every day).
 
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#184882
Silent Minority

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Well we may see - if Brexit goes through (which I feel less likely every day).

There will be a lot of problems....caused mainly by out of touch politicians sabotaging it Doctor King....and a direct result will be the rise of both the hard left and right....

...a look at history when the public are ignored should teach us all a lesson....

Anyway am off to sample your Tunisian snow....would you do Rabat or Fes for a weekend getaway late February?
 
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#184887
Silent Minority

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Would seem some EU based manufacturers are taking a different view to Doctor King....for a man who hates headline pushed agendas our Venerable King is getting very good at warping the truth for a good headline himself...

'Rolls-Royce car manufacturing will stay in Britain after Brexit, says boss'

www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/national/173468...er-brexit-says-boss/
 
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#184889
'M'

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Jaguar have stopped all work on liquid fueled cars and are only working towards electric and that work is being done elsewhere these are the last generation Jaguars you can buy now that do not need to be charged.
Nothing to do with Brexit.
Europe will need to work hard after we leave Mrs May has ballsed it up you need business people to sort it out not cockwomble's
 
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#184890
Barney

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Paradoxically, one completely British - owned and managed - car manufacturer is unable to keep up with demand.

For 110 years, Morgan have manufactured cars in Worcestershire - and now make about 1,500 cars a year; about 6 different models.

Handmade and with a waiting list - deemed, by those who know, to be classic sports cars. Wood remains a feature of each.


 
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#184891
Barney

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
'M' wrote:
Jaguar have stopped all work on liquid fueled cars and are only working towards electric and that work is being done elsewhere these are the last generation Jaguars you can buy now that do not need to be charged.
Nothing to do with Brexit.
Europe will need to work hard after we leave Mrs May has ballsed it up you need business people to sort it out not cockwomble's



Stopped all work? I think not.

But all major vehicle manufacturers see electric cars as the future - and are gearing up for it.

Development problems include slow charging, planning permission for home charging docks and grid capability - in various countries.

Progress is being made, but it's be a decade or two before Ford's combustion engine is redundant.


Driverless cars will also be common soon, just like most modern cars don't have spare wheels - as we knew them...



 
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#184905
Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
And if we do leave the EU in March; hundreds of thousands more jobs will go and the Brexiteers will be delighted that at least we're not letting filthy foreigners in to fill them.

Yes we are. Just "richer" filthy foreigners.
None of it makes sense.
 
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#184913
MWTW

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
A big turn down in new car sales globally is the main cause.
Want to be truly to be seen as Eco friendly buying cars ?
Keep your old one
Service and look after it
Buy second hand parts if you can.
To be honest that's better than what it takes to build a new one from scratch even if they burn fossil fuels you are burning more making new and melting down the old.
See if have sorted climate change out
 
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#185724
Barney

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Barney wrote:
Even though the Sunderland area is largely dependent on Nissan - with 8,000 workers, and those with suppliers etc. - 56% of the electorate voted to leave the EU.

In Derbyshire, where Toyota play a similar role in the community, a majority also voted to leave - putting thousands of livelihoods at risk.

The biggest examples of foot shooting ever - as both these car giants have numerous
other options.

Nissan have an alliance with Renault, and can easily relocate to France; a country which already has a shareholding in said alliance.



Some of us saw this on the horizon...


 
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#186291
Barney

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Now, the Honda factory in Swindon is to close - with the loss of 3,500 jobs.

Together with those supplying the factory - and other connected jobs.

Swindon will soon feel the pinch again - just like it did when its railway industry declined.


Foreign car manufacturers have been the first to implement decisions, based on Brexit.



 
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#186296
Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Not only Brexit but it was clearly a major factor; I mean would YOU want to stay involved in a country governed by incompetents with these stupid racist attitudes dominating policy? Let's just flush the UK down the toilet and be done with it.
 
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#186307
hedda

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Silent Minority wrote:
Had you read the news more carefully Doctor King you would have seen the other reasons....bad sales in China....and the problems with diesels...

....Once the dithering idiots in parliament have got on and delivered Brexit you'll start seeing EU car makers looking at options of avoiding the tariffs,and building some models here....it's basic economics...but those who put political beliefs before economic common-sense.....fill in the blanks....


That's the oddest post of all really coming from an obvious Brexiter.

The most shocking aspect of the referendum was that it was sold almost purely on emotionalism and for crass political reasons.

Brexit was sold on many outright lies that included fear of foreigners and a host of other claims..that $350M NHS bus etc.

It all added up to a collective but false fear that the EU controlled ordinary Briton's lives and that somehow, a strange sort of "sovereignty" was being taken back..the ability to control one's destiny and so on..impossible in the way our lives are now at the mercy of 1000s of world-side events and involvement in complicated arrangements (trade that has taken years to arrange) etc.

Recall the "don;t listen to the experts" order and so on.

Now Brexit may be a huge success and a brilliant idea..but that raises the question why so many lies had to be told.

## Also your point about Morgan cars is pretty irrelevant in the entire scheme of things. You are pointing to a small boutique business that caters to a select clientele and always will as long as they have money.

It's like saying that because the nightclub Annabelle's has revamped it self and raised it's extortionate prices and still open for the well-heeled that all is fine for the great masses.
 
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#186309
Silent Minority

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Just an update....while as I just mentioned Brexit uncertainty will be a factor it would seem a recent EU trade deal with Japan is actually the main reason!....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603

'The EU and Japan recently struck a trade deal which lowers tariffs on both parties' car exports to zero.

James Atwood, deputy editor of Autocar magazine, said this could be a big factor behind Honda's decision.

"It allows Honda to produce their cars in Japan where most of their plants are and then ship them to the EU without having to pay the import tariffs they have been, which does reduce one of the reasons for needing a plant in the UK," he told BBC News.

BBC business editor Simon Jack says the trade deal certainly "means a dwindling rationale to base manufacturing inside the EU".

He said: "Production at Swindon has been in decline for some time and is currently running at about half its capacity - another strike against it. But, having said that, Japanese companies are very long term investors.'

So would all those who blamed Brexit on this thread like to join me in blaming the EU?

If it was mainly Brexit at fault then production would have been moved to another EU country....it has been moved back to Japan...it was only EEC tariffs that encouraged the Japs to come over here in the first place...now the EU has gone and deliberately undermined our manufacturing....but don't worry....I'll just blame Brexit anyway....
 
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#186327
'M'

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Brexit will be blamed no matter what proof to say it is not.
As of have said before that nothing much changes and trading will still happen and anyone leaving or coming to the UK will have to show a passport as I do each and every time I travel by air sea or rail.
Time to wake up and see for yourself as it's not long now. By by eu
 
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#186334
hedda

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
these are corps who have all said they are relocating because of Brexit.

I don't accept that all the executives are lying.

Perhaps they will be replaced by others as business hates a void. It's a big risk to take...only reason BA is not on there is they got in early and registered in Ireland.

Sony
Dyson
Panasonic
Lloyds
Unilever
Goldman Sachs
Barclays
Airbus
Flybmi
P&O
HSBC
JP
Morgan
UBS
Ford
Hitachi
Toshiba
AXA
Honda
Moneygram
Philips
European Banking Authority
European Medicines Agency
Bank of America
 
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#186340
Silent Minority

Re:5000 Jaguar jobs to go; dear old Brexit; what a great idea (not) 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
So it's official....Honda has confirmed Brexit had nothing to do with the decision to close Swindon!

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/19/...latest-blow-uks-car/

'Honda claims 'devastating' Swindon plant closure not related to Brexit - latest news'

And for Hedda...of course big corps will hedge their bets,and open offices abroad because of Brexit....that's the way...most have places all over the world...but how many real jobs have gone to the EU?....You are reading into normal sensible big business decisions,and the facts are not there to support the reality of the situation...actual employment and wages are up...not down....and investment is up....our economy is growing faster than Germany....and all this despite the mess the government has made of negotiations...

....Just leave you with an article about venture Capital in the UK...we are still the preferred destination to europe

www.eastmidlandsbusinesslink.co.uk/mag/f...-reveals-new-report/

'UK remains Europe’s prime investment destination for Venture Capital, despite Brexit, reveals new report'

'Brexit concerns have failed to dent Venture Capital appetite for UK startups, says a new report by KPMG Enterprise.

A total of £1.4 billion was invested by VCs into UK startups across 200 deals in Q3 (July – September 2018). This was up £9 million on the £1.31 billion raised in the same quarter last year according to Venture Pulse Q3 2018, [a quarterly report on global trends published today by KPMG Enterprise].

This compares to £634 million invested in Germany over 73 deals and £344 million of VC investment into France over 37 deals in Q3 2018.'

Even otherwise intelligent folks can be fooled by distorting facts...
 
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