Stupid woman can only take one road... "pass my ghastly withdrawal bill". My hope is - Labour agree to vote for the bill ONLY if there is immediately a second referendum - May's bill or No Brexit - and if Remain wins we retract Article50 immediately and get on with the trivial duties of government - running the country.

JK2006 wrote:
Stupid woman can only take one road... "pass my ghastly withdrawal bill". My hope is - Labour agree to vote for the bill ONLY if there is immediately a second referendum - May's bill or No Brexit - and if Remain wins we retract Article50 immediately and get on with the trivial duties of government - running the country.

No. If there has to be a vote it should be for either "ridiculous deal" or "no deal". (which doesn't sound terribly appealing)

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
Stupid woman can only take one road... "pass my ghastly withdrawal bill". My hope is - Labour agree to vote for the bill ONLY if there is immediately a second referendum - May's bill or No Brexit - and if Remain wins we retract Article50 immediately and get on with the trivial duties of government - running the country.

No. If there has to be a vote it should be for either "ridiculous deal" or "no deal". (which doesn't sound terribly appealing)
I imagine if that were the choice many of those who voted/supported Remain wouldn't bother voting and it would essentially canvass the views of Brexit voters/supporters only.

Honey - could you tell us why (there are only these two options)?

Barney wrote:
Honey - could you tell us why (there are only these two options)?




Because we have already established that "we" want to leave, and the opportunity for better deals seems to have slipped by unfortunately.
What do you think, Barney?

I think that their are many more options - discussed by politicians, every day - than a ridiculous deal or a no-deal...

Barney wrote:
I think that their are many more options - discussed by politicians, every day - than a ridiculous deal or a no-deal...




I very much hope you are right.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Barney wrote:
Honey - could you tell us why (there are only these two options)?




Because we have already established that "we" want to leave, and the opportunity for better deals seems to have slipped by unfortunately.
What do you think, Barney?

I think Honey has a sound democratic point....we have made the choice to leave,and this has not happened yet.Leave is the democratic mandate,made clear by the ex PM,and many others during the Referendum campaign.,,,,

....There are only two ways to leave that honour the promises made...with a deal...or without....in fact if we take Cameron at this word,May's deal does not honour that....leaving the Single Market and Customs Union were facts set out by Cameron when explaining what we were voting for...and were also made clear by just about every major player at the time...adding 'options' on afterwards does nothing to democratic will....and by the law of the land as voted for by Parliament after voting to enact Article 50 we were meant to leave,with a deal if passed by Parliament,or without a deal if not....

....We are due two elections in the near future,they will provide a much more clear voice for the people to express their opinions....the time taken to run a Referendum campaign is too long....

....my betting is the tories will dump May after bad election results,A Brexit leaning PM will come about...the EU will then need to rethink it's whole position....and only then will 'clear water' be set between the two main parties....A General Election now would just be a hung parliament mess,after a change of leader it becomes a real choice,and a chance to sort this mess out once and for all.