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#188492
'M'

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
I think it's time for any of us to add things here regarding #markwilliamsthomas just because we can all start to pick up on things and bring the jigsaw together.

mobile.twitter.com/Barristerblog/status/1028040437469261825

There maybe just a small strand that helps out.
 
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#188517
Jo

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
Rabbitaway has done a few very interesting blogposts relating to MWT recently (also featuring an MWT e-mail in which JK's name crops up): rabbitaway.blogspot.com

And I'd just add this infamous tweet:

"Breaking : Rolf Harris currently being interviewed under caution at police station as part of #Savile other #sexual offences"
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/274181776283406337?lang=en

Points I'd note:
- the wording (esp "Rolf Harris" + "Savile" + "sexual offences") could have suggested to anyone anywhere in the world with an internet connection what kind of allegations were being sought against Rolf Harris, i.e. sexual offence allegations of the kind made against Jimmy Savile, such allegations being easy to research with Google, precisely what Rolf Harris was eventually convicted of; would genuine victims of crime really have needed those hints?
- the words #Savile and #sexual offences are hashtagged, presumably to increase the tweet's circulation among people reading about those topics - at a time when the internet was abuzz with the Savile allegations/compensation claims, so there would have been increased interest in those topics and hence in the Rolf Harris tweet
- tweet issued by the man who had just recently "exposed" Jimmy Savile as a sex offender, so would have been seen by many as an authoritative source
- tweet was retweeted several hundred times, much more often than usual for MWT's tweets, and most likely reached many more people than the retweet figure on the tweet, including those (like me) not on Twitter seeing chatter elsewhere online about it; so did any of Rolf Harris's accusers see the tweet too and/or related online chatter?
- the word "currently" indicates MWT was tweeting police activity as it was ongoing, suggesting very close contact with Operation Yewtree
- timing of the tweet ensured that Rolf Harris's name was released months before he was arrested or charged (according to news reports, he was arrested five months later in April 2013 and charged nine months later in August 2013)
- tweet released first thing in the morning on 29 November 2012, the day the Leveson report was published, which said "I think that it should be made abundantly clear that save in exceptional and clearly identified circumstances (for example, where there may be an immediate risk to the public), the names or identifying details of those who are arrested or suspected of a crime should not be released to the press or the public" (paragraphs 2.39 on page 791 and para 3.3 on page 984 of Volume II of the Leveson report resulting from Lord Leveson's inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the press).

This raises a number of questions:
- Why was Rolf Harris's name released then and in that way?
- Did MWT tweet the information entirely on his own initiative, with the police blithely unaware of the tweet being issued or its potential to drop hints to and draw in false accusers, hence their failure to have it removed from Twitter, or was Rolf Harris's name released with the knowledge of or even at the instigation of the police?
- Was the police decision to question Rolf Harris, and possibly also release his name, first thing on the day of the Leveson report's release a coincidence? If not, why was that date chosen?
- What precisely was MWT's role in Operation Yewtree?

After the Rolf Harris verdict, MWT appeared on ITV's This Morning programme alongside the director of public prosecutions, Alison Saunders. His presence alongside her may have been nothing she had any influence on but it again reinforced the impression that he was a person of consequence as far as Operation Yewtree and the CPS were concerned. The ITV blurb under the online video said he had been "liaising with the victims of Rolf Harris for many months" (source). What did "liaising" mean? Did he have an evidence-gathering role, i.e. was he a gatherer of allegations? Did he act as a conduit for accusers, with them approaching or even being directed to him first before giving their police statements? If he was to-ing and fro-ing between accusers, was there any contamination between the allegations?

He said this in a 2015 BBC radio 5 live interview and it raises questions about his approach:

"If we can ta*... if we can prosecute or have prosecuted the most untouchable, then everybody is fair game."
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/563626316533362688
audioboom.com/boos/2867220-mark-williams...p;utm_source=twitter

* pronounced "tah" as in "target"

Surely it is a basic premise of justice in a democracy that you don't target people first and then look for evidence.
 
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#188518
Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
Oh yes I think MWT's involvement with Rolf (which worked just as his involvement with Cliff failed) is an important ingredient in any examination of the man's behaviour and, perhaps more crucially, in the effect on other police and CPS behaviour. It may well provide fresh evidence enabling wrongly convicted innocents to be vindicated.
 
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#188521
'M'

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
Did he not deny that he had any involvement in anything to do with Sir Cliffs home raid by the pervert police ?
 
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#188522
Sheba Bear

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks, 3 Days ago  
I'm intrigued as to who the 'well-known writer' is (mentioned in paragrah 4 of MWT's response).

I realise that names probably can't be named publicly in this regard but ... hmm.
 
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#188557
Jo

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks, 1 Day ago  
 
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#188567
'M'

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks ago  
Great finds Jo. One thing that should never mentioned here is the death of Leslie Grantham and the tweet Williams-Thomas made about the actor just hours after he passed, need to find that tweet.
 
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#188572
Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks ago  
Is this the tweet you mean, M?

He is a vicious little swine, isn't he?
It was completely uncalled for.

twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1007592182621106176?lang=en
 
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#188575
Sheba Bear

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks ago  
This is worth a read:

www.mediamasters.fm/wp-content/uploads/2...dcast-Transcript.pdf

Ivana Smit is mentioned on page 16.
 
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#188580
MWTW

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks ago  
Seeing Honeys tweet with that link I am suprised that MWT had not already deleted it and the compelling evidence ?

I banged on about this Mark Williams-Thomas for a number of years, I was sometimes seen as being over the top against this man but now I feel that at last everyone else has worked out what a dirty rotten scoundrel he is.
Remember his To Catch a Paedophile TV series? You will not believe what tricks he did behind the scenes prior to filming prior to handing over those 'contacts'already luring men in, then once he had the weak on the bait knowing full well some would turn up to meet he made fortunes off the back of it.
Most of those men if you look are disfunctional in some ways and would never of spoken face to face like they did with a child no matter what fantasy was in the head but tie the lamb to a tree and the lion will eat from the table.

Mark had plenty of AKA 14 15 year old profiles set up mainly he liked the name Sue for some reason so if any of you guys out there arrested between 2007 an 2008 for attempt to meet especially in London by the Met 'paedophile unit' ( never such a squad) need to start proceedings to see if they were lured by underhand means.
I will again for the record state MWT had a big connection in the Mets child protection unit called DC ------l ------y . More when needed.
Remember when Mark was a child protection specialist brought in by clubs and and businesses to look into the safety of children and sexual advances etc in the workplace, how many people lost their jobs on his say so ? Plenty, coaches etc and it would be nice to see a few come out now and let us know that this ExCopSpurt could get you sacked and labeled a pervert in the name of cash in the bank.
Mark told us all how good he was at any opportunity he had, the masses 'believed' breakfast sofa presenters soaked up marks stories their faces wracked with concerned contortions hanging on the words of this self appointed Paedophile General and his ducking stool.
I must stop before someone thinks I'm being obsessive.
Sleep well tonight, keep em peeled.
 
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#188609
Jo

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 3 Weeks ago  
A blog post from 2013 by Anna Raccoon: annaraccoon.com/2013/05/09/the-family-liaison-officer/

She highlights the callousness towards a family whose daughter is missing of their family liaison officer criticising police efforts to find their daughter. If I'm not mistaken, criticising the original police investigation is something of a habit. It would be interesting to know how that makes the families feel.

More: annaraccoon.com/category/duncroftsavile/...markwilliams-thomas/
 
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#188641
'M'

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Let's not forget to add this money making shambles.
specialistinvestigations.com/services/
 
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Re:Mark Williams Thomas 2 Weeks, 5 Days ago  
'M' wrote:
Let's not forget to add this money making shambles.
specialistinvestigations.com/services/


The way these services are advertised.....

"Counter Surveillance
Covert and Overt Video Installation
Sweep & De-Bugging"

Makes me think they offer a BUGGING service!
Or why include it with the surveillance?
 
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#188740
'M'

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 2 Weeks, 2 Days ago  
Has posted on Facebook. Now I see through his post the man is on mental health now and this is what he is going to lean on when the shit that is heading at this moment to hit the MWT fan he will be using it as an excuse, the man should be remamed 'translucent'
 
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#188807
'M'

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 2 Weeks ago  
The twat has done a retweet today, it's a tweet bumming him up.
Shower of shite the man is.98086
 
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#188837
'M'

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
Reading his retweet again and the reply it got looks a bit lame to me, I'd say it was a MWT production of self promotion.
 
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#188846
Jo

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
This is an old article from Surrey Magazine that used to be on MWT's website. Probably dates from 2011, as it was apparently published just before his On the Run programme aired and according to his IMDb page, the first of two On the Run programmes dates from that year, the second being dated 2012. JK gets a mention and the "well-connected writer (who lived on my force area)" that intrigued Sheba Bear above looks as if it may have been the "woman in the media" he refers to here. I think the article is quite interesting and revealing. Personally, I suspect that MWT may see himself as a real-life Boyd from Waking the Dead, reopening "cold cases" in the form of historic allegations or unresolved murders, the kind of things that are, in his words, "delectable to the public".

Case worker

From Madeleine McCann to Jonathan King, criminologist, TV presenter and Hindhead man Mark Williams-Thomas has worked on some of the UK’s top cases. Catherine Whyte meets him as his new show airs on ITV

It was an open-and-shut case. I began this interview by saying how utterly uninteresting I find crime thrillers. I rarely watch them, or horror movies. Just don’t see the point of all that gore. But by the end – 90 minutes and two cups of coffee later – I am sitting, jaw open, enthralled by tales of suicides, post-mortems, shootings and accidental deaths.

Guilty as charged. I confess to enjoying every minute of this chat with Mark Williams-Thomas, ex-police detective turned-TV presenter, who is one of the principal advisors on the sort of TV drama I never watch, like The Inspector Lynley Mysteries and Waking The Dead.

His CV is as full as a police station on a rowdy Saturday night. Following a long and distinguished career as a detective with Surrey Police, Mark is one of the country’s leading experts on child abuse and missing children. As well as presenting programmes (you may recall ITV’s To Catch A Paedophile in 2009), Mark can frequently be seen commenting on high-profile cases on the BBC, Sky News and ITV. And if that isn’t enough, he also runs a consultancy service on child protection and risk management: the GB Beijing Olympics squad have Mark to thank for their safety.

“I have had a fascinating police career, and to go from that to making primetime television is truly amazing,” he says.

Now, Mark is about to present an hour-long episode of ITV’s Exposure series (the successor to World in Action) called On The Run.

“What we are basically tackling is the issue of offenders on the run,” he explains. “Some have escaped; some have been given bail and have taken flight; some have disappeared while on leave. The numbers are truly shocking. The programme is going to attract a lot of attention.”

Whether or not he succeeds in tracking down any of the prisoners remains a secret for now. Yet his excitement is palpable.

“It’s all about bringing subjects which need airing to a national audience. It has to be delectable to the public but considered,” he says.

Delectable to the public but considered. A curious phrase, I reflect, but one which describes Mark himself to a tee. So much so that he is ‘helicoptered in’ by TV networks at the first sign of breaking stories, such as those of Raoul Moat, Jean Charles de Menezes and, most famously, Madeleine McCann.

“I was there within 48 hrs. I broadcast live every day. I know the case in depth,” he reveals.

Mark has his own theory about what happened to Madeleine that night at Praia da Luz in 2007: that she wandered out of the apartment and was picked up by a passing stranger. A case of the wrong place at the wrong time. Mark is not a man afraid to speak his mind – a trait much in evidence throughout our conversation.

“I don’t sit on the fence. Be it against a British or a foreign police force, I’ll say what I think – but with the confidence that I know what I’m talking about.”

Which indeed he does. Having joined the police after a spell as a rugby league player for Harlequins, he quickly became involved in working with ways to divert youths from reoffending.

“We began to identify that a lot of these kids were coming from child protection type environments, often
with domestic violence involved. I thought: ‘Hang on, I really need to know why these children are suffering this abuse. Can we do more?’”

Eventually, however, the trail began to lead outside the family.

“We hadn’t really tackled the organized paedophiles. Not organised in rings, exactly, but in the sense of targeting children in large numbers outside the family,” he explains. “I started to look at it. And soon realized that we had a major problem – not unique to Surrey, but throughout the UK.”

Mark goes on to explain, in some depth, the background to two of Surrey’s most infamous cases: those of Adrian Stark, the music teacher at St John’s School Leatherhead who was charged with possessing child pornography, committing suicide just before it hit the headlines in 1997; and Jonathan King, the songwriter and record producer sentenced to seven years in prison in 2001 for the assault of five teenage boys.

“I had intelligence from a woman in the media that King was picking up young kids and abusing them; taking them to music events, things like that.

I wasn’t sure what to do. He was a huge name at the time and there was no evidence or other intelligence to corroborate the story. Then, five years later, a young man approached Max Clifford with stories that King had sexually abused him, along with many other children, when he was a child at the Walton Hop disco.”

The trial attracted a lot of media attention. Celebrities, including Simon Cowell, publicly supported King. Mark, though, is unfazed.

“It wasn’t just King. I had a list of people in the music industry that were abusing kids. Some were prosecuted, some were not.”

Child abuse is a difficult world to talk about, let alone to work in. One wonders how Mark can sustain such an intense involvement.

“You have to be a certain type of person. Yes, it upsets me – the gravity of it. But it also drives me on. Ultimately, my satisfaction comes from catching them and stopping their offending behaviour.

“If you work in the field, see these images and say that you don’t get upset, you’re in the wrong job. You should never get used to it.

“When I look back on my service, and all the people I saved from abuse and helped to get their life back on
track, it’s a fantastic reward.”

Even so, paedophilia stubbornly refuses to stay out of the news. Is it a modern disease?

“No. It’s been around since Roman times. But the way that people offend has changed. About 80-90%
of abuse still occurs within the family, but there is also this terrible add-on – the stranger element of it. The internet affords greater opportunity.

“The NSPCC has declared that it wants to eradicate child abuse,” he continues. “It’s a ridiculous strapline. You will never eradicate it. You can only reduce it.

“We have gone from a situation in which paedophilia is acceptable, but not discussed, to one in which it is discussed everywhere. That was a direct result of Esther Rantzen’s Childline. So, in 2000, we had a lot of disclosures – historic disclosures. There is a greater acceptance that child abuse takes place.”

Mark had left the force by the time Jonathan King was arrested. But he would soon find himself in the company of other detectives, in the shape of DIs Lynley and Boyd, as he began to advise scriptwriters on the accuracy of their storylines. Waking The Dead, in particular, is a series close to Mark’s heart.

“It’s my favourite because it was the hardest to do. It was allconsuming. Many of the characters and storylines that I delivered were drawn from my own experience.”

So, is it realistic?

“Some characters are exaggerated, but others are very real. Take Boyd, for example. Yes, sure, he does go over the top sometimes, and perhaps he delivers above what a police officer would, but actually I think he’s very real. You know, he is that police officer of the 1990s. Not a modern one. He’s the sort of police
officer we need more of.”

A bit like an investigative journalist?

“Yes. Exactly. People who stand up and are prepared to take calculated risks, but within the law. Now we
have too many politician-driven officers who reach senior rank but have scarcely done the job, or who
have never been proper investigators, and who aren’t prepared to stand apart from the official police agenda, or the government agenda, and say: ‘Let’s do this.’”

Now independent, Mark can be particularly vocal about current issues, such as the riots and the phone hacking affair.

“The context in which the riots began was appalling. You don’t have people outside a police station for hours without a police officer coming out to talk to them. That was terrible.

“Thereafter I think they handled the situation very well. But I was very disappointed with the Government’s response. There was no leader, when what we need so badly are role models. That is a massive breakdown.
I would like to have seen Cameron getting on a plane sooner, or even just doing an interview.

“Similarly with the News International case. Andy Hayman, who was in charge of the official enquiry, seemed to treat it as a bit of a joke. I respect John Yates, but he didn’t come across well either. Sue Akers, though, was very good.

“The police have got to realise that the media play a massive, massive role, not only in setting the public
agenda, but in actually assisting them. I would like to see the police identify one spokesperson who is
media-friendly, very savvy, but also highly respected.”

Case closed.

On The Run, part of ITV’s Exposure strand, airs on October 24, available on ITV Player until Oct 31
 
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#188847
Re:Mark Williams Thomas 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
Oh yes this and others were part of the information given to the Judge in my recent case - along with a wealth of fresh evidence. MWT had a very strong sense of adapting the past to suit his image. The reality turned out to be very different. And he has a habit of removing awkward information from his sites and Twitter and Facebook accounts when they contradict later claims, without realising that they may have been saved by others.
 
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'M'

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 1 Week, 4 Days ago  
He is back tweeting
 
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Jo

Re:Mark Williams Thomas 1 Week, 1 Day ago  
Looks as if he hasn't done that article he tweeted about on 29 March, since he doesn't seem to have tweeted about it since:

"Been in London today for a lengthy programme viewing - need to rest now tonight . Have a busy weekend ahead: finishing off an article about a major well know murder, and then some more book stuff - not long now until publication."
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1111719142955122688

Wonder if it was about the Jill Dando murder, as it was the 20th anniversary of her death on 26 April.
 
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