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After seeing Rory Stewart on several interviews, I beleive that he is the best candidate to be the new conservative leader. He is not spouting simple solutions to complex answers (no deal brexit), he is been realistic, talking about reaching out and making compromises on Brexit. There are no cliches or sound bites, just quiet contemplation, consideration, and hard work. There is also talk beyond Brexit, the NHS social care, business, things that have been much neglected for 3 years. Gove and Johnson can't be trusted and Raab is another no dealer and screwed up as Brexit minister, whereas Hunt, Hancock, Javid, and Cleverley are completely charmless. Sadly I don't think my wishes will come true, as media hype and spin will probably win out.

RS is bright and well connected (Doddy was a diolomat).

And started working in the FCO, after Oxbridge and Eaton.

A common route for those with friends in high places; he even tutored the royal princes, Harry and William.

Has the DNA and pedigree of Cameron and Johnson; we don't need another upper class clone.

I read this as ROD Stewart for a second. He might as well have a go too.

And Rod would be better than the rest.

I agree that he gives a good impression*. He also has a very interesting bio and I can recommend his book about his solo walk across Afghanistan "The places in between". Just not sure if he'd have the experience yet, since he's only just entered the cabinet. Maybe a future PM, though.

* except when he made up a statistic when being interviewed to back up a point he was making.

Rory Stewart apologises after making up Brexit stat

Is this all the British government have to offer, also not mention of any special relationship with USA.

Jo wrote:
I can recommend his book about his solo walk across Afghanistan "The places in between". Just not sure if he'd have the experience yet, since he's only just entered the cabinet. Maybe a future PM, though.


Agree with all of that.

Barney wrote:
RS is bright and well connected (Doddy was a diolomat).

And started working in the FCO, after Oxbridge and Eaton.

A common route for those with friends in high places; he even tutored the royal princes, Harry and William.

Has the DNA and pedigree of Cameron and Johnson; we don't need another upper class clone.




Totally agree...after brexit he may have matured. ...but offers the public nothing they cannot get better elsewhere.. the Tories are finished unless they can do brexit..at bare minimum they need to remove the backstop..or be believed over no deal....another few Farage wins may well convert enough MPs to their plight..

Good evening Barney...my greetings to you and yours.

Part of me thinks that the best candidate would be Savid Javid, because knowone would except a bald Pakistani as the prime minister of Britain, and then the tories would be crushed at the next general election.

robbiex wrote:
Part of me thinks that the best candidate would be Savid Javid, because knowone would except a bald Pakistani as the prime minister of Britain, and then the tories would be crushed at the next general election.

He is from Rochdale actually.

robbiex wrote:
Part of me thinks that the best candidate would be Savid Javid, because knowone would except a bald Pakistani as the prime minister of Britain, and then the tories would be crushed at the next general election.
He has a weird grating high-pitched voice and looks a bit like Yul Brynner. Maybe he could play a malfunctioning robot PM in "Brexitworld".

Jo wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Part of me thinks that the best candidate would be Savid Javid, because knowone would except a bald Pakistani as the prime minister of Britain, and then the tories would be crushed at the next general election.
He has a weird grating high-pitched voice and looks a bit like Yul Brynner. Maybe he could play a malfunctioning robot PM in "Brexitworld".

Too late Jo....May I suggest Teressa had that part off to perfection.

Good evening too you.

Very good on Question Time this evening. Giving sensible reasoned answers. Not shouting everyone down or insulting the other guests. Please god let him be the next tory leader and not Boris Johnson.

JK2006 wrote:
And Rod would be better than the rest.

lol..

Rory was tweeting that he was in a park the other day and inviting anyone who wanted to talk to him to drop on by..

can't remember which park..Hampstead Heath? Holland Park Walk ??

hedda wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
And Rod would be better than the rest.

lol..

Rory was tweeting that he was in a park the other day and inviting anyone who wanted to talk to him to drop on by..

can't remember which park..Hampstead Heath? Holland Park Walk ??

I expect Rod Stewart told you 'I don't want to talk about it.

The more I see of him the more I like him. Putting adult social care at the heart of his campaign is the right thing to do. He might not deliver fully, but at least the intention is there. Sadly the public doesn't have a choice, unless they join the conservative party and vote for the leader, but really who wants to do that.

robbiex wrote:
The more I see of him the more I like him. Putting adult social care at the heart of his campaign is the right thing to do. He might not deliver fully, but at least the intention is there. Sadly the public doesn't have a choice, unless they join the conservative party and vote for the leader, but really who wants to do that.

Funny enough I did...

...but he has nothing on the way forward with Brexit....we need to deliver democracy...then move forward..which is where he may well play a part...but with the Tories polling third,whoever is their leader it will not matter...they will never get elected if they fail to deliver by Halloween...

He has ruled out no deal...which means he had nothing to negotiate with...following that path is stupidity...even Trump took a swipe at those who got us in that mess...and I doubt Boris would do much better...

Goodness how much I waffle

Hope all is well Robbie.

Silent Minority wrote:
robbiex wrote:
The more I see of him the more I like him. Putting adult social care at the heart of his campaign is the right thing to do. He might not deliver fully, but at least the intention is there. Sadly the public doesn't have a choice, unless they join the conservative party and vote for the leader, but really who wants to do that.

Funny enough I did...

...but he has nothing on the way forward with Brexit....we need to deliver democracy...then move forward..which is where he may well play a part...but with the Tories polling third,whoever is their leader it will not matter...they will never get elected if they fail to deliver by Halloween...

He has ruled out no deal...which means he had nothing to negotiate with...following that path is stupidity...even Trump took a swipe at those who got us in that mess...and I doubt Boris would do much better...

Goodness how much I waffle

Hope all is well Robbie.

I don't think polling matters that much after the the eu elections, when it comes to first past the post elections, people will vote either blue or red.

Funnily enough I think he may be able to persuade some labour members to vote for May's deal or a slight variation of it. Everyone says that Mays deal is bad, but basically it delivers on leaving the european union and stopping freedom of movement which was what most people would have voted on. With regards to the customs union, I don't remember any Vox Pops mentioning this at all. Boris was a disastrous foreign secretary extending the prsion sentence of Zaghari-Radcliffe, and as London Mayor he did nothing except ban drinking on the underground, compared to Ken who introduced London travel zones and congestion charging, both life changing ideas. He has been speaking to those Labour mps in the 63% of Labour constituencies that voted to leave, such as Lisa Nandy and are disgusted (rightly so in my view) with the prospect of a second referendum and ignoring the vote of the first one.


You have to remember that parliament will never vote for a no-deal brexit, so aiming for that is pointless. The Eu have already said that they will not renogoiate the deal, so the fact that no-deal is still on the table is irrelevant. The only solution in my view is to persuade Labour members to agree to the deal. Labour members in leave constituencies (i.e. most of them) are becoming frustrated with the lack of progress on Brexit and don't want a damaging no deal brexit.

I may just join you in joining the party and voting for Rory (you don't say who you will vote for) and stop the car crash of Boris becoming pm. If he does then I would immediately leave again.

robbiex wrote:
Silent Minority wrote:
robbiex wrote:
The more I see of him the more I like him. Putting adult social care at the heart of his campaign is the right thing to do. He might not deliver fully, but at least the intention is there. Sadly the public doesn't have a choice, unless they join the conservative party and vote for the leader, but really who wants to do that.

Funny enough I did...

...but he has nothing on the way forward with Brexit....we need to deliver democracy...then move forward..which is where he may well play a part...but with the Tories polling third,whoever is their leader it will not matter...they will never get elected if they fail to deliver by Halloween...

He has ruled out no deal...which means he had nothing to negotiate with...following that path is stupidity...even Trump took a swipe at those who got us in that mess...and I doubt Boris would do much better...

Goodness how much I waffle

Hope all is well Robbie.

I don't think polling matters that much after the the eu elections, when it comes to first past the post elections, people will vote either blue or red.

Funnily enough I think he may be able to persuade some labour members to vote for May's deal or a slight variation of it. Everyone says that Mays deal is bad, but basically it delivers on leaving the european union and stopping freedom of movement which was what most people would have voted on. With regards to the customs union, I don't remember any Vox Pops mentioning this at all. Boris was a disastrous foreign secretary extending the prsion sentence of Zaghari-Radcliffe, and as London Mayor he did nothing except ban drinking on the underground, compared to Ken who introduced London travel zones and congestion charging, both life changing ideas. He has been speaking to those Labour mps in the 63% of Labour constituencies that voted to leave, such as Lisa Nandy and are disgusted (rightly so in my view) with the prospect of a second referendum and ignoring the vote of the first one.


You have to remember that parliament will never vote for a no-deal brexit, so aiming for that is pointless. The Eu have already said that they will not renogoiate the deal, so the fact that no-deal is still on the table is irrelevant. The only solution in my view is to persuade Labour members to agree to the deal. Labour members in leave constituencies (i.e. most of them) are becoming frustrated with the lack of progress on Brexit and don't want a damaging no deal brexit.

I may just join you in joining the party and voting for Rory (you don't say who you will vote for) and stop the car crash of Boris becoming pm. If he does then I would immediately leave again.

You obviously haven't been following General Election polling Robbie...and its 3 months after you join the Tories before you can vote...so save the money...and buy yourself a beer...

Nearly lunchtime here...now that means work...sadly...

Silent Minority wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Silent Minority wrote:
robbiex wrote:
The more I see of him the more I like him. Putting adult social care at the heart of his campaign is the right thing to do. He might not deliver fully, but at least the intention is there. Sadly the public doesn't have a choice, unless they join the conservative party and vote for the leader, but really who wants to do that.

Funny enough I did...

...but he has nothing on the way forward with Brexit....we need to deliver democracy...then move forward..which is where he may well play a part...but with the Tories polling third,whoever is their leader it will not matter...they will never get elected if they fail to deliver by Halloween...

He has ruled out no deal...which means he had nothing to negotiate with...following that path is stupidity...even Trump took a swipe at those who got us in that mess...and I doubt Boris would do much better...

Goodness how much I waffle

Hope all is well Robbie.

I don't think polling matters that much after the the eu elections, when it comes to first past the post elections, people will vote either blue or red.

Funnily enough I think he may be able to persuade some labour members to vote for May's deal or a slight variation of it. Everyone says that Mays deal is bad, but basically it delivers on leaving the european union and stopping freedom of movement which was what most people would have voted on. With regards to the customs union, I don't remember any Vox Pops mentioning this at all. Boris was a disastrous foreign secretary extending the prsion sentence of Zaghari-Radcliffe, and as London Mayor he did nothing except ban drinking on the underground, compared to Ken who introduced London travel zones and congestion charging, both life changing ideas. He has been speaking to those Labour mps in the 63% of Labour constituencies that voted to leave, such as Lisa Nandy and are disgusted (rightly so in my view) with the prospect of a second referendum and ignoring the vote of the first one.


You have to remember that parliament will never vote for a no-deal brexit, so aiming for that is pointless. The Eu have already said that they will not renogoiate the deal, so the fact that no-deal is still on the table is irrelevant. The only solution in my view is to persuade Labour members to agree to the deal. Labour members in leave constituencies (i.e. most of them) are becoming frustrated with the lack of progress on Brexit and don't want a damaging no deal brexit.

I may just join you in joining the party and voting for Rory (you don't say who you will vote for) and stop the car crash of Boris becoming pm. If he does then I would immediately leave again.

You obviously haven't been following General Election polling Robbie...and its 3 months after you join the Tories before you can vote...so save the money...and buy yourself a beer...

Nearly lunchtime here...now that means work...sadly...

Is there anything to stop us all joining all the main parties now, so we have a say in time for the next fiasco?