Thousands more jobs to go; if Brexit goes ahead it will get far worse.

Dr King, is plucking facts from thin air. Ford has denied it's Brexit people are not buying the cars.

The UK is still in the EU.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-48540201/...will-be-a-ghost-town

Ford say the closure has nothing to do with Brexit - just production costs, in a fast changing market.

In which the combustion engine is becoming gradually extinct - being replaced by electric cars, which cost 30% less to produce.

And are also much cheaper to run - and easier on the environment, climate, etc.

BMW and Nissan (the Leaf particularly) are ahead of the posse - and public electricity charging points are becoming ubiquitous in cities.

Soon, new properties will only be given planning permission if these points are in the design.

Nothing to do with Brexit it's to do with the change from wet fuels and the end of the internal combustion engines.
To say the electric cars are 'green' is ridiculous look at the mining for the metals needed. If you want green keep your car serviced and stop changing them every year and the jobs could of been kept.

Yes lots of people saying it's nothing to do with Brexit; I reckon it's totally due to Brexit but nobody wants to admit it; there are many really good valid other reasons but would you want to do business in this horrid little country that doesn't like foreigners and is trying to expel decent workers and clamp down on immigration whilst pretending to welcome people with open arms? Bollocks; this beastly racist Little Britain is nowhere any company of any sense wants to work.

JK2006 wrote:
Yes lots of people saying it's nothing to do with Brexit; I reckon it's totally due to Brexit but nobody wants to admit it; there are many really good valid other reasons but would you want to do business in this horrid little country that doesn't like foreigners and is trying to expel decent workers and clamp down on immigration whilst pretending to welcome people with open arms? Bollocks; this beastly racist Little Britain is nowhere any company of any sense wants to work.

Stop drinking the cocoa.

It was your ancestors that broke up Ireland.

Ford has said the uncertainty of Brexit is a factor.

To pretend that those running the company who know that Wales will no longer be directed to receive over £700Billion from the EU and the immediate dire effect it will have,you have to be crazy.

Yes the UK will still have it's £700Billion but the entire country must wait while 1000s of civil servants and politicians work out where it's taxes are spent (and will there still be the same tax intake?) and if they decide Wales should receive over £700 after a few years, then why the bloody hell did they leave the EU in the first place?

When big corporations cannot be certain of the near future business wise of course they will be cautious.

You are denying reality if you cannot see the incredible uncertainty that Brexit is obviously causing ..it's why we are in serious trouble.

Making claims that Britain is still Britain actually reveals part of that problem.

Is the sort of claim made by millions of Brexiters (and that destroyed Nigel Farage) that some great mythical "Englishness" will pull the country through.

The moment the UK leaves the EU it has no trade deals. 1000s of deals forged over decades by the EU.

If you think the USA will be the UK's saviour them we are in real trouble.. They will hold the upper hand.

Meanwhile only chaos can reign as the UK tries to build trade deals again with their biggest trading bloc: the EU.

Pray. Pray to God.

JK I have friends that work at Ford's and this downturn etc and closures have been on the cards for years. I am sure the Dagenham plant closure was completely due to Brexit of course.
You live in London JK so how many changes in which car to buy? Not petrol get diesel don't get diesel get electric and now the electric cabs have a petrol engine to charge the vehicle. Buy a diesel cab you msy nothe be able to use it in the next 5 years.
It ain't Brexit it ain't Brexit, shake you're head done believe the fake news

'M' wrote:
JK I have friends that work at Ford's and this downturn etc and closures have been on the cards for years. I am sure the Dagenham plant closure was completely due to Brexit of course.
You live in London JK so how many changes in which car to buy? Not petrol get diesel don't get diesel get electric and now the electric cabs have a petrol engine to charge the vehicle. Buy a diesel cab you msy nothe be able to use it in the next 5 years.
It ain't Brexit it ain't Brexit, shake you're head done believe the fake news

Indeed what sort of cars will be made is a huge factor.

Capitalism and corporations have no "morals" and certainly do not indulge in racism so they will go where the money is (to be made).

It is pure madness to deny the uncertainty of the UK separating itself from a market of over 500 million people..and then trying to rebuild that market over the years.

Of course the EU will still be there and still ..perhaps..want British goods. But that also denies the reality that we really are Global Village now and whatever Britain once produced can now come from anywhere.

Britain doesn't even own it's wonderful brands anymore like Rolls Royce.

## In the 1960s The Beatles got their MBEs for almost saving the UK and balance of payments such was the success of British music and the uniqueness of then what the UK was churning out.
(and the late Kit Lambert always said the reason the UK produced so much great music was because teens could survive on The Dole and concentrate on music)
### apparently one bloke wrote a song about the going to the frigging Moon and it was successful.

But now look at the music scene. Watch The Voice ( I love it because it isn't a Simon Cowell show)..in almost every country and 100s of fabulous singers appear on it.

What does Britain now produce (apart from the best reality show on Earth..the Royal Family) that is so special..that can't be made in Mexico or Korea?
There is the BBC but how long will that last?

#### And Please Explain: why do avid Brexiters turn up at events wearing MAGA hats and call themselves patriots and Remainers "traitors"?

I'm neither in or outer I did not vote and I do not care if in or out but stop blaming Brexit for everything it's got bolox all to do with the world is changing faster and faster.

'M' wrote:
I'm neither in or outer I did not vote and I do not care if in or out but stop blaming Brexit for everything it's got bolox all to do with the world is changing faster and faster.

we don't blame Brexit for everything and yes the world is rapidly changing and that is why Brexit..the most monumental change in our lifetime is such a dramatic move with no certainty.

To dismiss the fact the UK will have no trade deals the day after..or to believe the absolute nonsense that such deals can be done overnight and not years is pure fantasy.

It's a step into the unknown..with no life support or safety harness.

## I have a lady friend who took possession of her mother's 1985 Rolls Royce. Take note JK: she's just spent $22K turning into a fabulous electric car..set for another 30/40 years of action. It's frighteningly quiet and unbelievably smooth.

hedda wrote:
What does Britain now produce (apart from the best reality show on Earth..the Royal Family) that is so special..that can't be made in Mexico or Korea?

Britain has 1,000 castles, in a magnificent countryside - with quaint and ancient pubs nearby.

And the finest city (London) in the world - with theatre and the arts, at the forefront. In addition to the best education and sport.

Every country on earth watches the English Premier League - no other sport/league is in such demand.


That's just for starters. But, as Samuel Johnson said - 'if you're tired of London, you're tired of life'.

Recently, I was in a pub in Norfolk - where Horatio Nelson drank. A yank came and said - 'my Dad was stationed around here in WWII - was this pub here then?'

One of the locals replied - 'it was here before America'...