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#191629
Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
Jeffrey Epstein - I said “something stinks” but I’m not a conspiracy theorist and I don’t suspect murder - least of all, not by ex President Clinton or on his behalf.
The casting of Epstein as a US Savile is quite apt though and I’m sure the media and the public want a Witch Hunt - definitely involving Trump, possibly a British royal and certainly other celebrities.
And hundreds, if not thousands, will leap aboard the Compensation band wagon. It’s significant that the absurd possibility of a trial against a corpse is being sought by “victims”. Why? To get closure, lawyers hiss. Financial closure - sure.
A real death conspiracy would have killed him first time. They are dreadfully efficient, hired killers.
No, this stinks of all the False Allegations Industry trademarks.
A man who fancied pretty girls and liked them young (but always above legal age; they are not stupid) will have been shattered when, second time around, trusted friends were prepared to lie about him (think those two hairy armed Michael Jackson false accusers).
Believe me, this is devastating. Women Epstein genuinely believed loved him, who he trusted and gave gifts to, betrayed him.
And he knew how impossible it is to prove you didn’t have sex with someone when they were 15 (or is it 17 in New York?).
He knew how hard it is to prove someone was willing and consensual when they say, years later, they were forced.
No matter how rich you are, this is a very strong reason to kill yourself. To choose to give up.
Life becomes not worth living when you discover those who you believed loved you, didn’t. Especially if you were fool enough to love them in return.
This is what stinks. Another man, quite possibly innocent, becomes a victim of the False Allegations Industry.
And society, which loves seeing blood and feeling “there but for the grace of God” and which hates success in others, especially financial, takes pleasure in the suffering and death of others.
That stinks.
 
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#191630
Randall

Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
Lots of sad truth in this post.

 
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#191632
Misa

Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
Right on the money.
 
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#191633
Barney

Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
The stuff that conspiracy theorists can only dream of - and we ain't seen nothing yet!

Well connected crooked billionaire - known to royalty, big business, politicians, sports heroes, bankers, presidents, movies/music stars etc.

JFK, JR, Roswell, OJ, Marilyn, Lennon etc. will pale into insignificance - in terms of the level of future allegations, accusations and illogical conjecture.


Netflix have - probably - already commissioned a movie and documentary...




 
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#191634
tdf
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Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
I basically also agree with the OP. He rescued girls from poverty and expected sexual favours. Some still like him, some turned against him.

"BILLIONAIRE SEX TRAFFICKER" is from the same school as "HE GROOMED A NATION."

We've seen this movie before.
 
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#191635
'M'

Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
They are calling him a Paedophile but I thought the alleged girls were below 18 at 16 or 17 which does not equate to being a Paedophile.
BBC news this morning talking about victims the corrected herself to eledged.
 
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#191637
Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
12,400 views...
 
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#191640
Simon

Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
My thoughts too Jonathan. This is from a Vanity Fair article:

Giuffre also alleges Epstein and Maxwell told her to have sex with former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson; former Democratic Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell; the late MIT computer scientist Marvin Minsky; and MC2 model agency cofounder Jean Luc Brunel, as well as an unnamed “prince,” “foreign president,” and owner of “a French hotel chain.” Giuffre previously alleged she had been forced by Epstein and Maxwell to have sex with lawyer Alan Dershowitz and Britain’s Prince Andrew.
Something stinks alright.
 
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#191641
Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
32,000 views in 12 hours - I suspect many more people are starting to see more of a reflection of Carl Beech than of Jimmy Savile although the media would prefer a scandal involving high profile celebrities misbehaving, always a better story.
 
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#191649
hedda

Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
I've just watched an interview with the claimant who set this rolling..now lives in Australia.

The disconnect is just appalling and JK is spot on.

She has painted herself as a "victim" yet she could leave at any time.

She was a prostitute.

But bizarrely..she actually says she went out and found teen girls for Epstein.

So the claimant is a sex trafficker herself.

I very much doubt how the Savile estate was looted by lawyers and claimants will happen in this case.

The executors will fight tooth and nail.

The claimants may be offered settlements.

## If I was a Thai lady I's right now be claiming she is the one the Aust "victim" picked up for Epstein and took to the USA.
 
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tdf
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Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
The alleged victims are openly talking about suing the estate for millions. But, hey, it's not about money.
 
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#191703
Jo

Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
A lawyer representing claimants is Lisa Bloom, daughter of Gloria Allred, who represented Bill Cosby accusers. Bloom was interviewed on TV recently encouraging others to come forward and airing the prospect of compensation. It seems to have worked.

Local Power Lawyer Lisa Bloom Is Moving Forward with a Suit Against Jeffrey Epstein’s Estate

“I’ve had five additional Epstein victims come forward and reach out to me,” Bloom said. “I think it’s allowing people to feel like, ‘Now that he’s gone, I don’t have as much to fear, and I can come forward with claims against his estate.’ I salute anyone who wants to do that.”
And the legal action has now spread beyond the Epstein estate.

Jeffrey Epstein accuser Jennifer Araoz sues Ghislaine Maxwell, 3 other Epstein staffers

A new front in the Jeffrey Epstein case opened Wednesday morning, as Epstein accuser Jennifer Araoz filed a lawsuit against his estate, his longtime associate Ghislaine Maxwell and three unnamed female household staff....

Multiple young women have accused Maxwell, now 57, the youngest daughter of late British publishing magnate Robert Maxwell, of complicity in Epstein’s alleged sex trafficking ring. They say she either recruited them directly or provided logistical support, like scheduling visits to Epstein’s home. ...

Maxwell has not been criminally charged and has repeatedly denied the accusations against her.
 
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#191704
Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
And the question is - can there be a Carl Beech type of denouement here? False accusers are often cunning but frequently stupid (my recent lot made some horrendous mistakes - imagine it not dawning on you that it may emerge that you raped your ten year old sister when you were 20?). We've seen the Kevin Spacey false accuser fall apart (often it's the mother or the husband or the wife who instigates these claims). and if that DOES happen, how honest is the system in the States? Would someone do what prosecution barrister Jerry Hayes did in the Liam Allan case? If so we may see some middle aged women being brought to court, attempted extortion.
 
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#191714
Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months, 1 Week ago  
Yes they are missing the obvious, as a mother myself I would have reported my child missing if she didn't return home and certainly if she had been abducted or raped. What people dont understand is that a girl aged between 14 and 16 is an adolescent, many of them are ignoring their parents and doing what they want to do. It is obvious what has happened here, yes these girls were probably asked if they wanted to go to a party at Epsteins island I think they all would have gone freely to see what they could get out of it. Now because of the current climate of historic sexual abuse claims, they have decided to say they were groomed, abducted and raped. But surely they would have reported that all those years ago? or am I missing the point?
 
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#191733
Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months ago  
As we cross the 60,000 views mark, I wonder how many others are pondering this.
 
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#191735
Jo

Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months ago  
See the painting of Bill Clinton here:

Jeffrey Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton wearing a blue DRESS and red heels and lounging in the Oval Office inside his Manhattan mansion - visitor reveals bizarre image inside pedophile's $56m lair

"The original painting is called 'Parsing Bill' and is by Australian-American artist Petrina Ryan-Kleid, although it is unclear if Epstein had bought the canvas or had a print mounted. Ryan-Kleid exhibited for her degree show when she graduated with an MFA in 2012 from the New York Academy of Art."

Then see how the anonymous source exaggerates and sexes up what she saw:

"She told DailyMailTV: 'It was absolutely Bill Clinton. It was shocking - it was definitely a painting of him. It was a very provocative, sexual picture. He was wearing heels, a blue dress and his hand was in a weird position."

I can't see anything provocative or sexual about the painting or that either of his hands are in a "weird position". Can you?

The same anonymous source says she spotted "a girl who seemed to be 14 waiting to see the financier". Did she exaggerate that too?
 
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#191742
Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months ago  
Jo wrote:
See the painting of Bill Clinton here:

Jeffrey Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton wearing a blue DRESS and red heels and lounging in the Oval Office inside his Manhattan mansion - visitor reveals bizarre image inside pedophile's $56m lair

"The original painting is called 'Parsing Bill' and is by Australian-American artist Petrina Ryan-Kleid, although it is unclear if Epstein had bought the canvas or had a print mounted. Ryan-Kleid exhibited for her degree show when she graduated with an MFA in 2012 from the New York Academy of Art."

Then see how the anonymous source exaggerates and sexes up what she saw:

"She told DailyMailTV: 'It was absolutely Bill Clinton. It was shocking - it was definitely a painting of him. It was a very provocative, sexual picture. He was wearing heels, a blue dress and his hand was in a weird position."

I can't see anything provocative or sexual about the painting or that either of his hands are in a "weird position". Can you?

The same anonymous source says she spotted "a girl who seemed to be 14 waiting to see the financier". Did she exaggerate that too?


It all looks pretty normal, and the photo of Prince Andrew with the prostitute (or whatever) just looks like polite posing for a photo to me.
 
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#191744
hedda

Re:Jeffrey Epstein - they are missing the obvious. 2 Months ago  
Jo wrote:
See the painting of Bill Clinton here:

Jeffrey Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton wearing a blue DRESS and red heels and lounging in the Oval Office inside his Manhattan mansion - visitor reveals bizarre image inside pedophile's $56m lair

"The original painting is called 'Parsing Bill' and is by Australian-American artist Petrina Ryan-Kleid, although it is unclear if Epstein had bought the canvas or had a print mounted. Ryan-Kleid exhibited for her degree show when she graduated with an MFA in 2012 from the New York Academy of Art."

Then see how the anonymous source exaggerates and sexes up what she saw:

"She told DailyMailTV: 'It was absolutely Bill Clinton. It was shocking - it was definitely a painting of him. It was a very provocative, sexual picture. He was wearing heels, a blue dress and his hand was in a weird position."

I can't see anything provocative or sexual about the painting or that either of his hands are in a "weird position". Can you?

The same anonymous source says she spotted "a girl who seemed to be 14 waiting to see the financier". Did she exaggerate that too?


I've been to an exhibition of his work and didn't much like it.

It's so obvious send-up of the Monika affair and a bit of fun. Nothing sinister and I'm not sure Epstein had very good taste given the descriptions of his house and looking at pics of his island but..that's not a crime of course.

But poor dead Jeffrey will give the media pages and pages of copy for a long time yet.

I envisage his executors will now do a sort of Savile over Epsteins massive estate and settlements will be offered as fighting also costs a fortune. But I reckon they will be as tough as nails and not the pushovers Savile's executors were.

Jimmy Savile trusted a bank and they let him down. Epstein has a brother and nieces and nephews who will fight like crazy.

And the BIG DIFFERENCE here is...unlike Savile's accusers, Epstein's accusers are all PROSTITUTES

## I make no judgement on people selling their bodies but it makes a difference under law. !
 
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