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TOPIC: A Constitutional Outrage
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A Constitutional Outrage 4 Years, 7 Months ago
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Says Mr Speaker - about the scheduled prorogation
Parliament will be suspended in mid-September
Three senior ministers are getting the Queen's signature in Balmoral today
Boris is a very busy chap
In continued conflict with the EU, also
Whilst negotiating a massive trade deal with Trump
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Re:A Constitutional Outrage 4 Years, 7 Months ago
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Wild condemnation from all sides now
From EU - and other countries - saying that democracy is threatened
And Corbyn has written to the Queen
Seeking an urgent meeting
Holidays are being cancelled
Utter uncertainty now rules...
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Re:A Constitutional Outrage 4 Years, 7 Months ago
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The Queen has signed the required document.
Boris' opponents all caught napping after a bank holiday weekend.
All done and dusted before lunchtime.
Corbyn and company - can only moan now.
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Re:A Constitutional Outrage 4 Years, 7 Months ago
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Queen Anne was the last monarch to refuse royal assent for an Act of Parliament, in 1707.
Against the will of her parliament - 'La Reyne le veult' was not allowed to be uttered.
Norman french for 'the Queen wishes it' - immediately making an act or bill to become law.
In the required procedure for prorogation, MPs will have to visit the House of Lords - and witness its robed members doff their caps, to them.
And much more - including the repeated quoting of the Norman phrase.
Which might well provide an opportunity for remainers, dissenters and others - to protest or show their extreme dissatisfaction with (what many think) the end of democracy...
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Re:A Constitutional Outrage 4 Years, 7 Months ago
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Ironic that that Norman french is still a part of the business of the Palace of Westminster.
Brought in by the Duke of Normandy (later designated William the Conqueror), after he took over Britain around 1066.
Only 20 years later he had completed the Great Survey (Doomsday Book) - essentially a wealth/tax investigation.
Also ironic - is, unlike the other conquerors we had (like the Romans who departed c300 AD, because of problems at home), the Normans never left us.
Much of the power and wealth in the UK remains in the hands of Norman families - albeit well integrated after a millennium.
Noteworthy too, that Norman castles still stand - like Windsor. And the lands acquired by Norman families is still held by their descendants.
Many historians say that the Normans just became us...
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Re:A Constitutional Outrage 4 Years, 7 Months ago
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....Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg, who was at the meeting with the Queen, said this Parliamentary session had been one of the longest in almost 400 years, so it was right to suspend it and start a new session.....
www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49504526
Talk and headlines make the action seem like Boris has appointed himself as a dictator and yet reading the BBC article puts it all in a difference light.
What will happen re BREXIT - well time will tell. But to who is right and who is wrong all confusing but I do not like at all Corbyn's approach when the majority voted for BREXIT thus a democratic decision and I see any action to continue to delay the voted decision and timetable as the undemocratic intent and action.
Sadly I wanted Corbyn to be the man who cared for fairness, democracy, justice, homelessness, NHS, schools and so on... but yes the slogan "....for the many ..." is great but now he is acting for the Corbyn. And all those other issues and dangerous people in labour like those on the side of false allegations and many other issues he had not dealt with and lead a clear path when it comes to really taking action, forcing clear direction. As they say actions speak louder than words *Certainly in this case).
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Re:A Constitutional Outrage 4 Years, 7 Months ago
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The majority voted to advise they wanted Brexit.
No government or MP is required to accept advise.
David Cameron said he would implement the result but then he left.
There have been two (unelected by general election) PMs since.
The hyperbole and fanatical claims Brexit must be implemented are just that.
Britain went to war and participated in the destruction of 2 countries recently and the killing of 100,000s of civilians on "advice" that was false.
No-one has been punished for it. Except the victims..refugees who have fled the places we blew up who are demonized because of what we did.
It would be very unwise to just accept "advise" as a reason to make the most monumental change in 100 years when the outcome is so uncertain.
The real problem: so many millions who voted Brexit who did so for a million different reasons which are entirely false...they believe Johnny Foreigner is taking their jobs, they believe a bunch of garlic munchers are imposing laws upon them..they seem to think they were at Dunkirk and that Dunkirk was some sort of war victory.
Nonetheless it is an absolutely fascinating time and we are now entering Harold Wilson's famous maxim.." a week is a long time in politics".
Videos are surfacing left right and centre of various Tories proclaiming Parliament should never by prorogued ( I keep think of The Pouges ! ) to avoid debate etc..nothing new there but..did Boris Johnson lie to HM The Queen in his reasons? Constitutional crisis indeed !
# Ken Clarke announced he would be happy for Jeremy Corbyn to be PM.
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Re:A Constitutional Outrage 4 Years, 7 Months ago
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Barney wrote:
In the required procedure for prorogation, MPs will have to visit the House of Lords - and witness its robed members doff their caps, to them.
And much more - including the repeated quoting of the Norman phrase.
Then - 5 weeks more holidays.
For MPs and Peers.
All fully paid for...by us...
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