the one thing Brexit has done is expose how many millions of thick fuckwits there are in the UK.

Perhaps it's Margaret Thatcher's greatest achievement: the dumbing down of the masses. Not that she is solely responsible.

Some time in the 1970s evil people deiced to reverse one of the greatest 20th Century achievements..the education of the masses.
There are very good reasons for this- too long to go into.It's happening in the USA as well.

This is the Brexit voting form from the advisory referendum on Brexit.

It;s very straight forward..it simply asks your view.

It promises nothing. David Cameron actually had no lawful right to promise he would "honour" the result.

The one big mystery for me is- having voted in 2 referendums in my life..is the particular wording of it..was it deliberately so slack or simply a mistake?
When I voted in referendums they explained in detail the question and plainly said that a certain majority vote would be implemented by law.

You cannot have a voting form that says something..and then decide to read a whole lot of other things in to it.

Really..they could have asked should No 10 Downing Street have pink or blue curtains. Bugger all.

Just cannot be done. That is the law. Why is it so hard to see?

I think the crappy useless leaflet they sent out before the referendum said they would abide by the decision.

Perhaps the slack wording is because Cameron and Co never considered they'd lose.

hedda wrote:

Some time in the 1970s evil people deiced to reverse one of the greatest 20th Century achievements..the education of the masses.
There are very good reasons for this- too long to go into.

I, for one, would like to hear what you think about it.

hedda wrote:

Some time in the 1970s evil people deiced to reverse one of the greatest 20th Century achievements..the education of the masses.
There are very good reasons for this- too long to go into.

I, for one, would like to hear what you think about it. I'd like to hear about that too.

A retired teacher described to me looking back at school photographs, of the 'whole school' type. Up to the early seventies all of the kids were smartly dressed, blazers, ties properly tied, hair combed, etc, and they all looked 'serious'. Then, almost from one year to the next, they were all photographed lolling, with dishevelled clothes and hair, and a look of casual contempt.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
I think the crappy useless leaflet they sent out before the referendum said they would abide by the decision.

well that actually shows how bad the voting form was. It should have said on it that a majority decision would be enacted into law.

I mean voting papers are legal documents and very serious ones at that. Really they are a contract and badly worded contracts cause more grief and end up in court being disputed than long complex detailed ones.

I'm not even sure why they made it an advisory referendum.

It seems perfectly sensible to me to have had that referendum and perhaps then have a compulsory referendum 3 years later..now..when all the pros and cons are really being discussed.

Add as some obvious illegality has now been exposed and the fact that a situation was set up where perhaps millions were voting for misconceived emotional reasons, possibly 1000s of complex but completely erroneous misleading reasons that won't happen one way or the other..the infamous "getting back sovereignty" is one used often after the result came in but hardly ever mentioned now and as the popular talk back radio host keeps questioning Brexiters which laws they think the EU impose upon them and they can never quote one.

And Cameron's statement that he would act upon the result is meaningless seeing he scarpered but of course PMs always make exaggerated or plainly false claims all the time..and not much happens.
When a PM says "I'll fix the economy and make the trains run on time" and not much changes it has as much meaning as Cameron's words.

This seems very similar to Malcolm Turnbull's voting "survey" on "same sex marriage" which caused much angst in Australia but as the turnout was approx 80% with a 60% positive vote he was emboldened to enact legislation legalising gay marriage but the hard right wing still got him in the end anyway (with Rupert Murdoch leading the charge).

I still say Rupert Murdoch's sticky fingers are all over Brexit and David Cameron caved into him like so many do.

## before Tony Blair won his first election he attended a conference in Queensland where ex-Oz PM Paul Keating warned him not to get into bed with Rupert as he always dispenses with you once he's got what he wants.

Now they say his successor Lachlan is worse that his father and extremely "conservative" (Rupert isn't really..he was a Socialist in his younger days ..just switches sides for financial reasons).

### Rumours keep abounding that Rupert's recent fall on a boat where he hit his head was far more serious than said and Lachlan is now basically in charge.
#### He's certainly running Fox News now and those who were booted were on his orders and the recent claim by one Fox host to Donald Trump.."we don;t work for you" I reckon is an obvious public message to Donald that it's actually the Murdochs who runt he show..theTeflon Don just being a figure head

Good era to be very old but look very young.