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TOPIC: Oh No He Won't!
#192670
Bookworm

Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Corbyn is pretty reluctant to call a GE citing Labour want to do it on their own terms and not on Tory terms.
Sources also suggest he is too scared to become PM.

The likelihood is he is waiting until after Brexit. He doesn't want to sort out the Brexit issue. Once it is over, he will likely stand a better chance of winning.
 
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#192671
Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
I reckon Corbyn is very sensible not to want to be PM, especially not until Brexit is sorted (as Boris should have refused the poisoned chalice). One reason why I think he'll be a good PM is that he clearly doesn't want the job at this stage of life and would probably do a decent job of it as a result, motivated by unselfish reasons.
 
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#192672
Barney

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
The next hurdle is the Supreme Court's verdict on the proroguing of Parliament - which will start (being announced) at 10.30am today.

If the shutdown is deemed to have been for political reasons - parliament is likely to be immediately recalled.

And Boris will be on the first flight from NYC - with a General Election seeming inevitable.

Corbyn is simply being patient and pragmatic - in allowing the law to do the work for him, via the country's highest court.


 
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#192673
Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Yes Barney one of the things I like about Corbyn is that instead of obeying media simplistic headlines and doing the obvious "good stories" obediently, he quietly allows patient examination. Not for him stupid deadlines. Very few have the guts to gently ignore media pressure and tabloid condemnation. I'd like Labour to come out as Remain but think Corbyn's approach is sensible.
 
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#192674
Bookworm

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
I believe Corbyn is one of a very few who is honest.
I do worry about Labour leading into debt after years of austerity.

What do you a think was the real reason for parliament shutdown?

I think he was trying to force the EU to offer a deal.

Mind you, when big decisions are made there is usually more than one reason.
 
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#192678
Barney

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Bookworm wrote:
I do worry about Labour leading into debt after years of austerity

Even though the Tories doubled the National Debt in less than 10 years.

Since they returned in 2010 - to nearly £2 trillion?

Unprecedented - in terms of growth rates and debt levels...


 
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#192684
Bookworm

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
In fairness the Tories couldn't stop the Labour damage overnight.
Labour implemented the overgenerous benefit system and legal aid for this and that.
It all took time to wind down.

If Labour get back in with the same attitude, austerity was all for nothing.
 
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#192685
Barney

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
No government in history has increased our National Debt by as much as the Tories - between 2010 and 2019.

It is now twice as much (c£2 trillion), as it was in 2009. Did Labour borrow that money, when in opposition?

Google will graphically confirm this - and the very few times the Tories haven't had a budget deficit.

Compared to Labour governments' numerous surpluses - in recent years. Precipitating a reduction in our massive debt burden.



 
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#192686
Barney

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk


Most Debt generated by the Tories - since returning in 2010


Over £1 trillion extra



 
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#192692
Bookworm

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Borrowing puts up the debt. Not just spending.

Think about it.
 
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#192696
Barney

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Fair enough Book.

But my stats/facts are correct - and not disputed by you.

Tories have borrowed a lot more than Labour governments, in the past.

Nothing close to the current regime; the figures are irrefutable and so easily verifiable.



 
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#192708
Bookworm

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Where has the money gone?

Bailing out businesses?

What policies could the coalition have implemented which would see the rate of spending so astronomical?
 
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#192709
Barney

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
'the answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind'

As Bob Dylan first sang over 50 years ago


Even allowing for inflation though

No UK government in history has borrowed more than this one


In only 9 years

Budget surpluses are simply a thing of the past



 
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#192712
Bookworm

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Surely the point of where the money went is an important one?

Look at brexit, it is being pushed into action by Politicians with agendas and favour for US interests further supported by a voting public who are being denied the full picture.

At the centre of it all is Rupert Murdoch and we only have to look at Farage and his flouters to see what is going on.

The masses don't get the truth because the media = thought control.
 
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#192722
Barney

Re:Oh No He Won't! 4 Years, 6 Months ago  
Bookworm wrote:
Surely the point of where the money went is an important one?


Spending on healthcare education and social security, mainly - and a Tory inability to create a budget surplus, since the Thatcher days!

In other words, the Tories need to borrow to keep the UK working - and more every year. Blair/Brown generated several surpluses.

We pay a billion (£1,000,000,000) every month in interest on the Debt - and also need to fund a few items, like several multi-billion pound nuclear war ships.


Brexit isn't expected to be cheap either...


 
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