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#194309
Jo

Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
In the post-election interview with Jeremy Corbyn below he shows absolutely no sign of feeling in any way responsible for Labour's election rout. Instead, he points to Brexit and negative press against him while referring to the increase in Labour membership under his watch, his putting in place rules against anti-Semitism and his pride in Labour's manifesto, which he seems to perceive as popular. He claims to want to have a discussion within Labour to see what went wrong but what's the chance of them really resolving it if the man at the top is coming to the table with these preconceptions, some might say delusions?

This is not a humble man. A humble man would have conceded his share of the responsibility in Labour's defeat.

 
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#194311
Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
I'm afraid I agree with him Jo; he was so vilified by the media yet could and should have won if Labour and LibDems had pursued the same tactical voting route the Tories used on Labour seats in the North.
 
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#194313
Blue Boy

Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
JK2006 wrote:
I'm afraid I agree with him Jo; he was so vilified by the media yet could and should have won if Labour and LibDems had pursued the same tactical voting route the Tories used on Labour seats in the North.

The Tories didn't persue any tactical voting route in the North or anywhere else.

As for Corbyn I agree he had the media on his back but so did Boris Johnson. One just managed to handle it better.
 
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#194314
Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
Tories tactical voting 1 - Get Brexit off crucial Tory held seats.
2 - Woo Leavers in Labour held Northern seats.

Labour/LibDem should have...
1 - Stood down whoever was not Second to Tories or held seats with Tory opposition
2 - supported remaining Remain party to beat Tories.

Then Lib/Dems would have won 10 seats in Tory possible constituencies; Labour would have retained 30 seats with LibDEm remain votes in Northern constituencies. Do the Maths - 40 more seats = 80 fewer Tory seats = No Majority.
 
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Blue Boy

Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
1 - Get Brexit off crucial Tory held seats.
That was a Brexit party decision not sometime done by the tories

2 - Woo Leavers in Labour held Northern seats.
That is a strategy not anything to do with tactical voting
 
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#194319
Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
Well BlueBoy perhaps you are right and the Brexit decision had nothing to do with the Tories; and our definitions of tactical voting will have to differ too.
 
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#194356
Jo

Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
Good to see that he has taken responsibility, albeit not spontaneously.

Jeremy Corbyn apologises over heavy Labour defeat

In his open letter to the Mirror on Sunday, Mr Corbyn said: "I will make no bones about it. The result was a body blow for everyone who so desperately needs real change in our country.

"I'm sorry that we came up short and I take my responsibility for it."

But Mr Corbyn insisted he remained "proud" of the party's campaign, and that it had offered a message of "hope" in the election. ...

Writing in the Observer, Mr Corbyn said his own election campaign had successfully re-set the terms of debate and his manifesto would be seen as "historically important".

"I am proud that on austerity, on corporate power, on inequality and on the climate emergency we have won the arguments and rewritten the terms of political debate," he said.

How does he conclude that they have won the arguments? They lost the election! Badly!
 
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#194376
hedda

Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
He's not responsible for it.

The media did him over.

There is a fantasy that any Labour leader would not have been crucified.

They did it to Ed Miliband.

An election, just like that fateful referendum was sold on blatant lies and fabrications.

If people cannot see how utterly vicious Britain's media has become, there is no hope.

I don't think it's fair at all to lay blame on him and then infer he only took responsibilty at the last moment.

Everything about Corbyn shows he is a decent man and most especially..an extremely honest man.

I find it terrifying what has happened: a man who has, his entire Parliamentary career fought racism and stood up for the Underdog.

A man who has been involved with the Jewish community for over 30 years..more than any other single MP Jewish or otherwise, and one of the few MPs who has consistently got up in parliament on endless occasions to denounce Antisemitism.

Now painted as an Antisemite. In a campaign Josef Goebbels would be envious of.

You can hate Corbyn's guts but if you cannot see what has happened..then all is lost.

There is much anger among Labour supporters but it's a bit like they are lashing out at everything and everyone and not pinning down where the blame lies.

They need to remember..these elections are like a battle in a long war and often you lose the battle. Doesn't mean you won't eventually win The War.

If you read the history of the Russian Revolution (and I'm not comparing it and saying Labour is Communism), the Revolution didn't happen overnight. It was 30 years in the making with dozens of skirmishes and battles on the way, often lost by revolutionaries.

If you believe the media you would think Labour is finished for all time. Idiotic pronouncements that the Tories are in for 10 years and so on.

Anything and everything can happen and you must never forget Harold Wilson's statement : "a week is a long time in politics"

## and watch out for the Night of The Long Knives that will happen with the BBC. Their pundits really don't seem to understand that Boris and his fellow traveler Donald Trump (both tutored by Steve Bannon) don't take prisoners and they don;t leave witnesses. As Julian Assange found by getting into bed with them.
 
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#194379
Jo

Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
hedda wrote:
Everything about Corbyn shows he is a decent man...
I don't think a decent man would have been willing to sacrifice his son's education (and his marriage) on the altar of his own political ideology and/or political image. His wife's choice for their son: one of the country's best grammar schools (Corbyn himself attended a grammar); his choice: the local failing comprehensive.

MP and wife split over school
 
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#194381
Blue Boy

Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
I agree the media balance was against Corbyn and the historical balance has always been towards the right wing of politics.

In my opinion that makes the approach taken by Team Corbyn even more inept. If you know your enemies pick your strategy accordingly. If patriotism is a weakness don't support the Russian side in the Salsbury incident. If someone tells you there is a problem with getting the Jewish community to support you then do everything you can to counter it. If you know the rules of the game don't call foul when the problem is self inflicted.
 
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#194480
Jo

Re:Jeremy Corbyn 4 Years, 4 Months ago  
A tweet from Jeremy Corbyn:

"What was it about our plans to make the super-rich pay their fair share that the billionaire press barons didn't like?"

Newspaper Hostility Towards Labour During Election 'More Than Double' Amount In 2017

From the article:

"Hostility towards the Labour Party in British newspapers during the general election campaign was more than twice as bad as it was in 2017, an audit of media coverage has revealed.

According to researchers at Loughborough University who analysed stories in 11 leading UK newspapers – including The Sun, The Times, The Telegraph, The Guardian, The Daily Mail and The Mirror – Labour accumulated very high levels of negative coverage during every week of the campaign."


Loughborough University press release: Press hostility to Labour reaches new levels in 2019 election campaign

According to Loughborough University, they analysed reports on Channel 4 News (7pm), Channel 5 News (6.30pm), BBC1 News at 10, ITV1 News at 10, Sky News (10-10.30pm) and in the newspapers The Guardian, The I, The Daily Telegraph, The Times, The Financial Times, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express, The Mirror, The Sun and The Star (source). That includes newspapers I'd have thought were fairly neutral if not actually sympathetic to Labour.

Jeremy Corbyn says he wants a period of reflection but this tweet shows no sign of conceding that Labour might have received warranted criticism in the media, notwithstanding unwarranted criticism by right-wing elements. Corbyn's reaction seems to be "I am right and if people don't like me it's because they're out to get me".
 
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