Marcial Maciel founded this organisation for children - and was lauded and praised by the Vatican, for his work with children.

But yet again, the Catholic church has had to apologise - in the last few days - for the abuse carried out by the organisation's clergy.

Including Maciel himself - who even abused children that he had fathered - with different women. If Francis hadn't been chosen - would we even know?

And do we know now Barney? Carl Beech has shown how attractive it is making false allegations. Cash. Sympathy. Attention. Victimhood. Who wouldn't choose to claim abuse with all those rewards on offer? You'll be saying Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey and R Kelly and those Coronation Street stars and Jimmy Tarbuck and Cliff Richard and Prince Andrew and........

JK - I'm not saying it

The Vatican is coming clean


At last

A rather rum organisation, essentially a right wing cult within the Roman Catholic Church - as is Opus Dei. I live in the same neck of the woods as their Irish building, which I think is still owned by them. They sold a lot of land off to property developers over the years.

Even McQuaid, the notoriously authoritarian Rolls Royce owning former Archbishop of Dublin found their stuff a bit extreme, though he may just have been protecting his power structure.


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JK2006 wrote:
And do we know now Barney? Carl Beech has shown how attractive it is making false allegations. Cash. Sympathy. Attention. Victimhood. Who wouldn't choose to claim abuse with all those rewards on offer? You'll be saying Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey and R Kelly and those Coronation Street stars and Jimmy Tarbuck and Cliff Richard and Prince Andrew and........

Given that Beech is serving a lengthy jail sentence, I think this is the most asinine point I've ever seen on this website.

It is much more likely that Beech was a put up job to take attention from real accusations against VIPs & famous people, some of whom are unrepentant child abusers. One being R Kelly - the evidence against him is damning.

My point tdf is that Beech highlit the benefits of False Allegations if you can get away with them (as 95% tend to do). I cannot comment on R Kelly since I've not examined any evidence; I only go on media coverage which looks very similar to all other false allegations, publicity gained by exaggeration; joining a witch hunt; authorities working to obtain convictions not the truth. Women who once probably willingly had sex with a healthy celebrity being encouraged by media and cops to exaggerate their experiences. Lower ages; deny consent; no evidence; easily done for cash compensation and massive media fees.

tdf wrote:
Even McQuaid, the notoriously authoritarian Rolls Royce owning former Archbishop of Dublin found their stuff a bit extreme

Thanks for the link to the McQuaid book, which I'll get next year.

His interference in the drafting of the Irish Constitution is legendary.

Giving the Catholic church special status, in the country's affairs.

Matters have gone against the church in Ireland since - because of their extreme and inhumane bias.

And the Constitution has been altered against the Catholic church's wishes.

Ireland now has a gay non-Catholic Prime Minister, of Indian descent; McQuaid would be incandescent.