Oops

Shit!!!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53303457

The Coronavirus death toll figure should read - 531k, so far...

Barney wrote:
The Coronavirus death toll figure should read - 531k, so far...




Does that figure include the "died with" and/or the suspected "died with"?

A couple of intriguing/surprising statistics - on coronavirus deaths in the United States:-


1. New York and New Jersey now have more deaths than the UK

2. With 4.25% of the world population, the US has 25% of all fatalities


Perhaps most worrying is that many states see basic precautions as an infringement of liberty.

I suspect the biggest problem for them Barney is being, I believe, the fattest nation on earth; especially as there is no evidence that mass lockdown has achieved anything other than economic ruin.

Economic ruin?

On extremely favourable terms, the world is queuing up to lend money to the USA.

But round 70% of their debt is American - around $19 trillion.

The other $2t is provided by China and Japan - who are just waiting to be asked for more!


With more infections and deaths than anywhere else - financial problems are the least of the current US problems.

Barney wrote:
A couple of intriguing/surprising statistics - on coronavirus deaths in the United States:-


1. New York and New Jersey now have more deaths than the UK

2. With 4.25% of the world population, the US has 25% of all fatalities


Perhaps most worrying is that many states see basic precautions as an infringement of liberty.




It can be an infringement of liberty, though.

I was not a fan of the lockdown, but I'm quite keen to avoid covid ridden people breathing on me, so I wear a mask (despite claustrophobia causing panic attack) and keep well back, but my patience snapped in an indoor shopping centre recently.

There was arrows on the floor, one way up, one way down. My side became too crowded to distance and so I moved over and walked up the completely empty "down" side, and incurred the wrath of the walking monitor (or whatever they call them) who was overjoyed to order me back on the correct side, and furious when I refused to do so until it was clear.
He said "It might be too crowded but rules are rules" and stood to close while he was bleating.

Yes Honey, the simple things have become difficult. Even getting a pint - I had to endure the following:-


- have you sanitised your hands?

- can you stand in front of the screen please

- full name and contact details please

- where will you be sitting?

- what would you like to drink?

- cash or card?

- your drink will be brought to your table


There were other exchanges - and the drink came over 5 minutes later, in a virtually empty pub.

Next time - I'll probably drink at home, as half the country appears to be doing at the moment.

Barney wrote:
Economic ruin?

On extremely favourable terms, the world is queuing up to lend money to the USA.

But round 70% of their debt is American - around $19 trillion.

The other $2t is provided by China and Japan - who are just waiting to be asked for more!


With more infections and deaths than anywhere else - financial problems are the least of the current US problems.





Struggling to see how US increasing its debt burden is a sign of economic health Barney. And when will you acknowledge that economic misery leads to human misery, and deaths.

Those arguing that the economy needs to be prioritised over mass lockdowns have the intelligence to see this; and the genuine concern for humanity to care enough to keep banging on about it -despite the robotic platitudes they face in response...

Barney wrote:
Yes Honey, the simple things have become difficult. Even getting a pint - I had to endure the following:-


- have you sanitised your hands?

- can you stand in front of the screen please

- full name and contact details please

- where will you be sitting?

- what would you like to drink?

- cash or card?

- your drink will be brought to your table


There were other exchanges - and the drink came over 5 minutes later, in a virtually empty pub.

Next time - I'll probably drink at home, as half the country appears to be doing at the moment.




I dont know if this is common, but I saw one pub with a book for everyone to write their details in, with a pen attached by a string, and no antibac in sight.

I'm sure people were in less danger beforehand.

wyot wrote:
Struggling to see how US increasing its debt burden is a sign of economic health Barney. And when will you acknowledge that economic misery leads to human misery, and deaths.


Yes, the increasing debt of many countries is concerning. Take the UK, for instance.

Twenty years ago, our National Debt was about £400 billion - not it's 6 times that!

Largely because of the costs of the welfare state (pensions, NHS etc.) and because budget surpluses are rare.

In addition, the banks had to be bailed out, nuclear aircraft carriers are being built and coronavirus needed to be fought.

Our National Debt is here for good - on which we paid about £1 billion a week, in interest. Soon - it'll be twice that.

Like the USA - the UK borrows for everything, as its annual Profit and Loss Account is usually negative.

A profit was last generated by Blair/Brown - and, by the Tories, in the days of Margaret Thatcher.

Consequently, we are constantly borrowing on our future.

Which, after recessions and viruses, is uncertain.


Interest rates though are becoming negative (you pay back less than you borrow) - so the spiral will continue, indefinitely...