With 200k deaths, it's the second biggest killer there now. To heart disease.

More too than their last 5 wars. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Persian Gulf and Iraq.

And as many as those that happened on 9/11 over 66 days, so far.

Something has to be the second biggest killer I suppose. I wonder how many though would have died of something else when Covid was found to be present in them? Or "with" them.

The comparison to wars gets us nowhere: what is the stat for flu deaths since say 1960? Or those killed by lightning since say 1812? More than some wars? So what?

Q: if air pollution became the second biggest killer, should we ban the use of all vehicles?

Wyot wrote:
So what?


Well the constantly growing numbers are showing the American people how badly prepared the country was, despite their president's protestations.

The equivalent, in population, of Salt Lake City has vanished and about 770 people are still dying daily with no expectation of a vaccine until next year.

Only Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Spain and Brazil have more deaths per capita. And the US, with less than 5% of the world's population, has had 20% of the deaths.

In the most powerful nation on earth, it doesn't bode well for the Colonel-in-Chief to be reelected because his severe limitations and misplaced optimism have been badly exposed.

Even this week, Trump said that the coronavirus 'affected virtually nobody' and his utterances are now usually seen to be inaccurate, misleading and often blatant lies.

R Number wrote:
Wyot wrote:
So what?


Well the constantly growing numbers are showing the American people how badly prepared the country was, despite their president's protestations.

The equivalent, in population, of Salt Lake City has vanished and about 770 people are still dying daily with no expectation of a vaccine until next year.

Only Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Spain and Brazil have more deaths per capita. And the US, with less than 5% of the world's population, has had 20% of the deaths.

In the most powerful nation on earth, it doesn't bode well for the Colonel-in-Chief to be reelected because his severe limitations and misplaced optimism have been badly exposed.

Even this week, Trump said that the coronavirus 'affected virtually nobody' and his utterances are now usually seen to be inaccurate, misleading and often blatant lies.


But if, as they estimate, eighty percent of people have mild or no symptoms, it jolly well IS virtually nobody.

Wyot wrote:
Something has to be the second biggest killer I suppose. I wonder how many though would have died of something else when Covid was found to be present in them? Or "with" them.

The comparison to wars gets us nowhere: what is the stat for flu deaths since say 1960? Or those killed by lightning since say 1812? More than some wars? So what?

Q: if air pollution became the second biggest killer, should we ban the use of all vehicles?

pollution is a killer especially in LA.

In fact pollution killed me dear friend the rock historian Lillian Roxon in New York in 1974 - it was that bad then.

No we won;t ban cars..just petrol driven ones.

Elon Musk desperately trying to get out a cheap electric car asap...China has one in every colour style and shape and they're cheap.

This Covid Pandemic looks like going on and on and on....

Honey wrote:
it jolly well IS virtually nobody

The other 20% equates to the UK population.


Hardly nobody, those 66 million souls in 4 countries.

R Number. Stupid. Go away.

hedda wrote:
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No we won;t ban cars..just petrol driven ones.

Elon Musk desperately trying to get out a cheap electric car asap...ChinYesa has one in every colour style and shape and they're cheap.

This Covid Pandemic looks like going on and on and on....

I'd ban petrol cars, cigarettes and soap operas tomorrow...

Yes like some dreadful West End musical looks like it will run and run....

Stupid that we have 20% of the US population numbers? That 20% in America is pivotal and crucial.

Or maybe that, on a per capita basis, the US death and infection rates are alarmingly high.

Totally out of norms/syncs, with any comparison statistics. For here, or 97% of all countries.

Stupid isn't it!

That the US was too diverse, big and busy to handle something new that furtively killed.

Whilst remaining undetectable.

No; stupid that your brain dead comments don't suit this forum. Piss off. Again.

Again is stupid too.

Famous man sets up site, and will only relate to a small section.

Those who agree with all he says, like wyot.

Saying he's right always and good idea!

R Number wrote:
Again is stupid too.

Famous man sets up site, and will only 't relate to a small section.

Those who agree with all he says, like wyot.

Saying he's right always and good iISdea!IS

Twice now I have played dumb with your reincarnations Barney because I wanted you to continue on here and felt sorry for you.

I agree with our host on Covid certainly, but not necessarily on every other subject. I disagree with him that you are "stupid" and didn't like it when he called you that.

But you keep coming back at me don't you (easier non famous target?) so for what it's worth -

PISS OFF from me too.

No pissing off from me, Barney, but if you had taken any notice of the "famous man" over the years you would have noticed that (for all his faults) he is almost superhuman in his capacity for forgiveness.

You insulted him, and worse, his friends with a horrible comment the other week.
Why on earth don't you just apologise instead of sneaking back with umpteen crap disguises?

































And shut up about bloody covid!

Wyot wrote:
hedda wrote:
[b]

No we won;t ban cars..just petrol driven ones.

Elon Musk desperately trying to get out a cheap electric car asap...ChinYesa has one in every colour style and shape and they're cheap.

This Covid Pandemic looks like going on and on and on....

I'd ban petrol cars, cigarettes and soap operas tomorrow...

Yes like some dreadful West End musical looks like it will run and run....

I can't get why Elon gets all the praise. He ruined a man's life by calling him a pedo. Elon knew himself he was bang out of order, he still hired private investigators to spy on the poor guy.

I will never by anyone associated with Musk.

The only issue with electric cars is that they won't let me do much long distance, cross country rural driving.

I can't wait to do another USA cross country tour along the remote area's and country roads. I'm still sticking to petrol and diesel.

I have driven for 150+ miles and not pass a single petrol pump. I always carry a full cannister in the boot.


Jeep Gladiator is the one that has caught my eye, no fancy pumped shit that boy racers cum in their pants to. Gladiator has a great nostalgic look.

I laugh at people who look at the dashboard with parking censors to park.

Honey wrote:
But if, as they estimate, eighty percent of people have mild or no symptoms, it jolly well IS virtually nobody.
Long-term effects also need to be taken into account. Dr Anthony Fauci was on the news the other day testifying to a senate committee and spoke not only about Covid "long haulers" with lingering symptoms but about people who had mild symptoms and seemed to have recovered being discovered to have enlargement of the heart. He seems to have told the BMJ something similar.

I have always said that we’ve got to be really, really committed to preventing infection and preventing disease—that’s why we talk about universal wearing of masks, avoiding crowds, keeping your distance, outdoor better than indoor, washing hands—and we need to do everything we can to get a vaccine so that we can get this thing under control, because it is not something to be taking in a trivial way at all.

Clearly, there are people who have been sick enough to stay home and maybe not even be in the hospital, who go for a significant period of time with myalgias, fatigue, and what they refer to as brain fog or just inability to concentrate.

And there’s another thing that we’re learning that we need to keep an eye on. There have been some studies, one from Germany and now a more recent one from the US, on cardiovascular effects, even on people without symptoms who’ve recovered biologically. When you do MRIs [magnetic resonance imaging] on their hearts, you sometimes see a degree of inflammation that might even be asymptomatic. Does that lead to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy? We don’t know.

www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3703
I know two people who've had it, both middle-aged but previously fit and healthy, one of whom was told when she felt bad enough to go to hospital that her previously healthy heart was showing abnormalities and that she'd need to see a cardiologist and the other who has it now and last time I heard was not feeling at all well.

I agree with some of JK's views on this, e.g. that the Swedes seem to have taken the right approach, but don't believe it can be dismissed as a trivial virus on the basis of the figures from certain countries because, for instance, the figures don't show what might be in store for those who have supposedly recovered.

Honey wrote:
No pissing off from me, Barney, but if you had taken any notice of the "famous man" over the years you would have noticed that (for all his faults) he is almost superhuman in his capacity for forgiveness.

You insulted him, and worse, his friends with a horrible comment the other week.
Why on earth don't you just apologise instead of sneaking back with umpteen crap disguises?

































And shut up about bloody covid!

What did Barney say that was offensive or controversial ?!