We all knew Boris was playing a silly, brain dead game, pretending there would be no deal as a "bargaining tool" for the truly stupid. Now it looks like he has a "down to the wire" deal. Clearly it is far worse than staying in the EU and far worse than a total split. Brexiteers will howl with hatred. The word "betrayal" stings to mind. Oh come on Farage etc; you always knew it would end this way. Remainers will all say "why have we gone through this in order to be worse off?". Answer - well, we have "got back control". Question "Why is control any better? The EU is bigger, better and liable to have far better justice".

JK2006 wrote:
it is far worse than staying in the EU and far worse than a total split

'the devil is in the detail'


We must first see exactly what has been agreed.

Many international businesses will spend Christmas analysing the agreement (if published).

To see how it affects them - in all scenarios - and later, the EU members will decide whether it's for them.

Here's to 2021 Barney and more platitudes.

Yes seems that even Boris hasn't cocked up what he planned to do all along. I pictured him stood in his garage with a noose around his neck, standing on a stool pretending to be about to do himself in, when the neighbour's new dog rushes in and knocks the stool from under him.

But looks like we have avoided this. Good that we won't have a no deal in the middle of a panicdemic that has destroyed the economy; bad that we will be hearing hard Brexiteers moaning on for months and years - in particular that frog faced smoker, who has spent the year filming half a dozen people in dinghys and getting very excited.

As you know I was surprised that you or anyone else thought for a moment there might be No Deal. Boris is SOOO predictable. It will still be bad for Britain (blamed on Covid). But at least the racists will be silenced.

Yeah I called that all wrong...

I would like to think the racists will be silenced, but wonder whether this will happen when nothing in their world changes except increased unemployment and financial misery...

Sadly wyot, backed by the tabloids Superficial Boris will be hailed as a hero. Brexit will slowly settle back into a far worse situation than we were in before Brexit but everyone will blame it on Covid and get over that when the vaccine kicks in. The stupid gullibles (the majority) will lie back and allow us all to get screwed. A few of us will complain and be silenced under new rules.

Just like Covid, Brexit was a victory for the media, most of whom love slogans and front page tabloid headlines as policy. Take back control. Fine. We'll survive, as Norway and Switzerland have. Not as well as by being part of a strong, powerful EU but we'll manage. And the majority, the gullibles who still believe, despite solid evidence, that Covid19 is a killer plague, will accept that any financial problems are because of Covid, not Brexit. And will happily pay through the nose for Boris Blunders (except cronies who will do fine). The cash will come from Middle England, the Mail readers who will pay extra being convinced it is needed to pay back loans for Covid support. We will happily suffer because, after all, why bother to moan. Like Tier 4 or whatever stupid idea stupid Covid provokes, let's just go with the flow. We elected them after all.

At this point I must point out that I thought the LibDems would do a deal with Corbyn before the last election; in exchange for a coalition with a LibDem as Deputy PM like Nick Clegg was with Cameron, they would stand down in any seats that Labour might come second to the Tories and Labour would likewise do the same for LibDems. That stupid woman killed that off (and Corbyn who didn't listen to the many anti-Brexit advisors).

So we're screwed. If I didn't love the UK, especially London, I'd sell up and move to France or Italy. But, also, I need to straighten up the system here so innocent men and women no longer fall victim to false accusers and bent cops or crooked lawyers. I met dozens of them in prison. I get contacted by several every day. That is my duty and I cannot shirk it.

Could somebody please explain to me what the point of it all was?
It seems a lot of hassle for not much changes, that nobody cares about anyway.

Some examples of changes - we're out of Europol, the European police club. And European Extradition Warrants are no longer possible.

So it'll be harder to catch UK criminals in Europe and extremely difficult to repatriate them here. The process will take much longer.

And if a EU national is stopped here, as a suspect - computer access to his criminal history, in his home country, is no longer available.

There will be many more changes - with Northern Ireland, for example, retaining its trade ties with the EU. Unlike the rest of the UK.