If Priti Patel ever made mistakes in her youth, Karma will grant Shamima's request in a different way.

JK2006 wrote:
If Priti Patel ever made mistakes in her youth, Karma will grant Shamima's request in a different way.


It is absolutely fine to refuse her request, as long as we get rid of the notion that OTHER teenagers can be groomed.

I suspect another example of our Government making decisions with media reaction being the prime consideration.

Spot on wyot; Government by Tabloid Headlines.

She made her bed.

Diddums.

Green Man wrote:
She made her bed.

Diddums.

But you could say the same about fifteen year old "prostitutes".

How can grooming and exploitation only happen if it involves sex?

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
She made her bed.

Diddums.

But you could say the same about fifteen year old "prostitutes".

How can grooming and exploitation only happen if it involves sex?

Oranges and lemons there Honey.


If underage hookers are groomed then they need to find the perverts and string them up.

It’s amazing how the media can present this decision as a strong and bold one when it really is rooted in intense fear.

Green Man wrote:
Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
She made her bed.

Diddums.

But you could say the same about fifteen year old "prostitutes".

How can grooming and exploitation only happen if it involves sex?

Oranges and lemons there Honey.


If underage hookers are groomed then they need to find the perverts and string them up.

But its the same thing, Green Man. You can either coerce fifteen year olds into doing something horrible that they wouldn't normally do, or you cant.

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
She made her bed.

Diddums.

But you could say the same about fifteen year old "prostitutes".

How can grooming and exploitation only happen if it involves sex?

Oranges and lemons there Honey.


If underage hookers are groomed then they need to find the perverts and string them up.

But its the same thing, Green Man. You can either coerce fifteen year olds into doing something horrible that they wouldn't normally do, or you cant.

One party is abused the other party is a terrorist.

A couple of thoughts.
She is a citizen by birth of the UK so normally each country has responsibility for it's citizens even when they go after them internationally for a crime that they are jailed later for back in the UK.

The radical with the hooked hand that finally was sent back to Jordan, I think, after several reasonable hearings. As far as I am aware Jordan was his original country of citizenship. They took him back. Imagine Jordan apply the same rules as now applied to Shamima Begum, he would still be in the UK

wjlmarsh wrote:


The radical with the hooked hand that finally was sent back to Jordan, I think, after several reasonable hearings. As far as I am aware Jordan was his original country of citizenship. They took him back. Imagine Jordan apply the same rules as now applied to Shamima Begum, he would still be in the UK

You are a little confused. Abu Hamza was extradicted to the US on terrorism charges a few years back, was tried and is serving life imprisonment.

Begum is a child who went off to marry an IS fighter aged 15 and the Home Secretary has decided that to look hard - and in a show of "protecting" the UK - has stripped her citizenship.

Hamza is about terror, killing and crime; Begum politics.

I just wish the Gov would spend as much energy protecting us from its own stupidities rather than manufactured threats.

Wyot wrote:
wjlmarsh wrote:


The radical with the hooked hand that finally was sent back to Jordan, I think, after several reasonable hearings. As far as I am aware Jordan was his original country of citizenship. They took him back. Imagine Jordan apply the same rules as now applied to Shamima Begum, he would still be in the UK

You are a little confused. Abu Hamza was extradicted to the US on terrorism charges a few years back, was tried and is serving life imprisonment.

Begum is a child who went off to marry an IS fighter aged 15 and the Home Secretary has decided that to look hard - and in a show of "protecting" the UK - has stripped her citizenship.

Hamza is about terror, killing and crime; Begum politics.

I just wish the Gov would spend as much energy protecting us from its own stupidities rather than manufactured threats.

Thanks Wyot for pointing out my confusion. The character was Othman (Abu Qatada) who I was thinking of and the other one keep having his picture in the news thus stuck in my mind. It was just some general thoughts I had. On the particular case I have trouble understanding what real threat a confused 15-year-old girl at the time could be now or even at the time.

But my thoughts were really on the basis of citizenship and off loading a person on another country

wjlmarsh wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]wjlmarsh wrote:

On the particular case I have trouble understanding what real threat a confused 15-year-old girl at the time could be now or even at the time.

But my thoughts were really on the basis of citizenship and off loading a person on another country

Yep and on the central point I totally agree with you wjlmarsh. Just politics pandering to Tabloid headlines at its most cyncical; and we have a very cynical Gov and a truly malevolent Home Secretary. Wish we could boot Patel out for crimes against decency!