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Firstly, if this girl was in Tramps Nightclub where they apparently check ID, why wouldn't Andrew assume she was over eighteen or even twenty-one?

And, how on earth could they have got into Tramps dressed like a load of scruffs?
There is no way this photo could have been taken afterwards.

If Epstein, Andrew and Maxwell showed up at Tramp - with a few friends - ID wouldn't have been mentioned.

And the attire of such illustrious and famous VIP members, and their party, considered rather irrelevant.

I doubt Andrew had to queue to get into the nightclub Honey and I suspect he could get his group in without a rigorous ID check; he does not experience life as the likes of us do!!

Sinner or Saint? I suspect somewhere in between like the rest of us. Media trying to make this a "trafficked child" story I agree though is ridiculous.

The hospitality industry code for the people mentioned is 'whales' - those who the business wishes to attract because of status or spending potential.

Usually celebrities, sports and media people - who can just walk into many of the best restaurants, clubs and casinos - without hindrance.

From the West End to Manhattan and Los Vegas. Stand back - these people will get the best seats/tables, and be served first.

Rarely is any payment made publicly. In Manhattan particularly - you'll never be sure if you'll get your pre-booked table. A political whale may have arrived!

cullender wrote:
If Epstein, Andrew and Maxwell showed up at Tramp - with a few friends - ID wouldn't have been mentioned.

And the attire of such illustrious and famous VIP members, and their party, considered rather irrelevant.

Would you go to tramps in a badly fitting shirt from Asda and trousers big enough for a coat hanger in the back pocket?

I find it hard to believe that the Duke Of York would, either.
In fact I cant imagine why he is wearing them at all, unless the photo is faked?

Ghislaine Maxwell is usually pictured in nice clothes appropriate for the occasion, but maybe she had a lovely jacket on?
She usually has more make up on though, so I think it is unlikely she has been to Tramps.

The girl has the same top on in the photo where she accused Naomi Campbell and Prince Andrew of seeing her and not helping her.
She is the only one without a jacket or cardy, and it looks cold, so it is a bit sad if the photos are real. (I bet Hedda knows? She looks plonked in front to me)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7895569...islaine-Maxwell.html

Why would someone pay for a plain Jane teenager to have sex with a duke and others, and not bother to dress them properly?
And why would someone with power and money be interested?

Wyot wrote:
I doubt Andrew had to queue to get into the nightclub Honey and I suspect he could get his group in without a rigorous ID check; he does not experience life as the likes of us do!!

Sinner or Saint? I suspect somewhere in between like the rest of us. Media trying to make this a "trafficked child" story I agree though is ridiculous.

I think if you just buy somebody a bus ticket you are a trafficker these days.

Meanwhile, you can have slaves on your farm and sweatshop and It is just fine.

cullender wrote:
The hospitality industry code for the people mentioned is 'whales' - those who the business wishes to attract because of status or spending potential.

Usually celebrities, sports and media people - who can just walk into many of the best restaurants, clubs and casinos - without hindrance.

From the West End to Manhattan and Los Vegas. Stand back - these people will get the best seats/tables, and be served first.

Rarely is any payment made publicly. In Manhattan particularly - you'll never be sure if you'll get your pre-booked table. A political whale may have arrived!

Ah, a whale. That explains the trousers then!

They let me in Tramp but I was with Dodi Fayed & Britt Ekland at the time so they obviously would reduce standards depending if a Big Spender (not me) was in the group.

I never liked Tramp..only went 3 times..loved Maunkberrys which was nearby.