Don't you suspect that those charming Taliban people are highly amused that hundreds of Isis terrorists have managed to forge papers - or even use genuine documentation from parents or relations - and are now being shipped into the US or UK to settle comfortably in Wisconsin or Milton Keynes before getting together in a year or two to make an attack or two that will make 7/11 look like a minor incident in 2023 or 2024? So obvious; so easy; so clear to all except soldiers (notoriously dim) or politicians )who only care about media coverage)? Or media (only wanting "a great story" and too stupid to see the one under their noses)?

When, in a year or two, these horrific things happen, killing thousands of UK or US citizens and even more innocent immigrants, do remember my prediction - like you did when the News of the World closed (months after I predicted it) or Ted Heath got falsely accused (as I warned years before Carl Beech and incompetent cops and crooked media).

You can see it in the sly expressions on the faces of the Taliban spokespersons as their shifty eyes tell cameras every detail. "We are being so helpful allowing terrorists - oops people - to leave and go to the West". You can see it in the faces of the thick British ministers "The Taliban have actually been very helpful allowing corridors at the airport to let UK and US terrorists - oops people - skip the queues".

You can see it as the leaders "never previously seen on camera before" say "we are changed" because their media training has not been quite as effective as it should have been.

For those of us who know the media and have done for 60 years. Unlike the stupids running it now. Whose only morality is "is it a good story?".

JK2006 wrote:
Don't you suspect that those charming Taliban people are highly amused that hundreds of Isis terrorists have managed to forge papers - or even use genuine documentation from parents or relations - and are now being shipped into the US or UK to settle comfortably in Wisconsin or Milton Keynes before getting together in a year or two to make an attack or two that will make 7/11 look like a minor incident in 2023 or 2024? So obvious; so easy; so clear to all except soldiers (notoriously dim) or politicians )who only care about media coverage)? Or media (only wanting "a great story" and too stupid to see the one under their noses)?

When, in a year or two, these horrific things happen, killing thousands of UK or US citizens and even more innocent immigrants, do remember my prediction - like you did when the News of the World closed (months after I predicted it) or Ted Heath got falsely accused (as I warned years before Carl Beech and incompetent cops and crooked media).

You can see it in the sly expressions on the faces of the Taliban spokespersons as their shifty eyes tell cameras every detail. "We are being so helpful allowing terrorists - oops people - to leave and go to the West". You can see it in the faces of the thick British ministers "The Taliban have actually been very helpful allowing corridors at the airport to let UK and US terrorists - oops people - skip the queues".

You can see it as the leaders "never previously seen on camera before" say "we are changed" because their media training has not been quite as effective as it should have been.

For those of us who know the media and have done for 60 years. Unlike the stupids running it now. Whose only morality is "is it a good story?".

I have no idea what will happen, but when will the government in both USA and UK actually look after homeless veterans and the homeless in general ? We don't see or hear them put them in 5 star hotels with benefit money on top of free lodgings.

And who will the real future mass killers be? Mainly, I suspect, women - in their thirties or forties, made to look in their 60s, who were "secretaries" at Embassies or "interpreters" or whose acting abilities have been honed, weeping about their children, clutching babies to their chests. People are SO gullible (see Covid) and so easily instructed ("take back control") and so fooled by media "great stories and photos" (tearful old lady weeps to camera "I gave the Americans twenty years of service; they MUST help me now").

They CANNOT be terrorists, can they? Taliban don't even allow women to learn French, let alone be undercover terrorists. NO WAY would these dear, sobbing females (closely resembling Victoria Derbyshire's weeping ex cop) be anything other than they claim to be. The papers are clearly genuine (Taliban are incapable of decent forgery, surely? They can't even shave). We never see female soldiers in Taliban hideouts (that's why they hide out of sight of surveillance). Noooo.

Mrs Khan living peacefully in Detroit and nice single Mum Miss Shah in Woking cannot be anything other than beloved refugees, becoming pillars of local society in 2022. And when the Houses of Commons and Lords get blown up in 2023, and when The White House and Los Angeles Airports get burned down - all fully packed with important Western celebrities - all the neighbours will be astonished (on National TV) because they seemed "such nice, normal people".

Never mind, our thoughts and prayers will be with their families, won't they?

DOH!

JK2006 wrote:
And who will the real future mass killers be? Mainly, I suspect, women - in their thirties or forties, made to look in their 60s, who were "secretaries" at Embassies or "interpreters" or whose acting abilities have been honed, weeping about their children, clutching babies to their chests. People are SO gullible (see Covid) and so easily instructed ("take back control") and so fooled by media "great stories and photos" (tearful old lady weeps to camera "I gave the Americans twenty years of service; they MUST help me now").

They CANNOT be terrorists, can they? Taliban don't even allow women to learn French, let alone be undercover terrorists. NO WAY would these dear, sobbing females (closely resembling Victoria Derbyshire's weeping ex cop) be anything other than they claim to be. The papers are clearly genuine (Taliban are incapable of decent forgery, surely? They can't even shave). We never see female soldiers in Taliban hideouts (that's why they hide out of sight of surveillance). Noooo.

Mrs Khan living peacefully in Detroit and nice single Mum Miss Shah in Woking cannot be anything other than beloved refugees, becoming pillars of local society in 2022. And when the Houses of Commons and Lords get blown up in 2023, and when The White House and Los Angeles Airports get burned down - all fully packed with important Western celebrities - all the neighbours will be astonished (on National TV) because they seemed "such nice, normal people".

Never mind, our thoughts and prayers will be with their families, won't they?

That's an idea make Detroit their home. No one wants to live there these day, lots of empty properties !

DOH!

9,840 views for this thread in three hours. Many coming from traditional media desks. Let's see if they start writing about the possibility. Perusing my Times, Mail and Telegraph so far today, every single hack and editor is going along the obvious "poor Afghans who helped the allies cannot get out of dangerous Afghanistan" line, as expected. There's one piece about a woman who dared to suggest on radio that the Taliban might not be as bad as covered in the media. I suggest she watches The Kite Runner. Fiction these days is so much truer than fact.

Hundreds of messages - some saying women are never suicide bombers. Sorry but times have changed. 21 years ago the bent or useless cops in Surrey Police were mainly men (check out how my top cop took over the Milly Dowler investigation, allowing Levi Bellfield to walk free and kill several other innocent girls, luckily outside Surrey). In 2015 however most of the incompetent or bent Surrey cops were women. Women have risen to the top of many professions (and many are useless). The world of terror is no exception and the way global society has embraced feminism (#MeToo) makes it even easier for females to kill (and die). I'm never wrong.

Well it looks to me like nobody is being duped, and nobody is stupid.
They must have agreed to it.

JK2006 wrote:
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/23/pe...ntial-kabul-evacuees

Looks like you were right. They could move actual armies in unnoticed if they wanted.

And if you were Isis wouldn't you plan a scare (airport attack?), leak it to the West to increase panic plus minimise examination of those fleeing Afghanistan (to blow up London, New York, Los Angeles, Sydney, Tokyo) and ship out those nice lady suicide bombers, clutching babies to their breasts, forged papers showing they had typed letters at a consulate or assisted a (now conveniently dead) top US military boss or cooked for a Canadian or interpreted for a Japanese embassy clerk?

Chaos in the streets. Media exaggeration used to the full. Meanwhile those lovely girls would stagger into the west, mascara coated on the only parts of their muscular bodies that can be seen, tears flooding down ("I've lost everything - my home, my life - everything except my baby").

Perhaps I'm being cynical.

Interesting interview with a CIA boss who has just left Afghanistan on CNN who said the "pull out" could not have happened any other way now or later.

He claims:

If you sent in planes or helicopters en masse as a build up of transport the Taliban (not stupid) would immediately recognize what was happening and make plans and ensure airport access was impossible

If you started destroying US weapons and camps the Tal;iban would know exactly what was happening.

If you announced a certain date the exact same thing would happen.

There couldn't even be "chatter" among troops as the Taliban would hear (spies everywhere)

If you warned Embassy staff the Taliban would hear (spies everywhere)

The only possible pull out method had to be to spring it suddenly and yes, it will be messy.

## he did say probably best not to have released 5000 Taliban as Trump did until after the pull out. They now run the place.

We are too self-conscious now to actually invade, settle and develop an empire but will insist in meddling. What was the point? Cow terorists for a few years? (did we? No idea...) Let women know a but of freedom before it is taken away again. The Romans wouldn't have invaded a place with no end game. Either do it properly (call it what it is) or stay in your own borders and mind your own business; and yes, sorry, our troops who lost their lives in Afghanistan did die in vain. I think this is terrible; not something to be spun and glossed over by glib politicians.

hedda wrote:
probably best not to have released 5000 Taliban as Trump did until after the pull out. They now run the place.


Clearly a Faustian Bargain

A Deal with The Devil....


news.yahoo.com/prison-power-taliban-leaders-jail-110000033.html

Allegro wrote:
hedda wrote:
probably best not to have released 5000 Taliban as Trump did until after the pull out. They now run the place.


Clearly a Faustian Bargain

A Deal with The Devil....


news.yahoo.com/prison-power-taliban-leaders-jail-110000033.html

Only a fool would bargain with terrorists and expect it to go well.

What was it that Margaret Thatcher used to say about it?

It is very foolhardy to negotiate with The Taliban; they are almost as untrustworthy as the UK Government.