I realise that the aim of the vaccine is to stop death not infection, which it is doing reasonably well at, but it is still causing pretty nasty illness, even in healthy vaccinated people.
Its effectiveness is way below original expectations, because of the mutation.

It has been around the same length of time between discovery of "original" covid to the vaccine being developed, and from "Delta" developing to now.

So, bearing in mind they told us the vaccine would be easy to tweak, why haven't they?

Honey wrote:
I realise that the aim of the vaccine is to stop death not infection


No longer the case.


www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n888

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evide...ission-how-does-work

Allegro wrote:
Honey wrote:
I realise that the aim of the vaccine is to stop death not infection


No longer the case.


www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n888

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evide...ission-how-does-work

No longer the case...

So the aim was to prevent death but now the aim of the vaccine is to stop infection? What, just for the sake of it?

Wyot wrote:
Allegro wrote:
Honey wrote:
I realise that the aim of the vaccine is to stop death not infection


No longer the case.


www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n888

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evide...ission-how-does-work

No longer the case...

So the aim was to prevent death but now the aim of the vaccine is to stop infection? What, just for the sake of it?

Must be crap then because everyone seems to be getting infected left right and flipping centre!

Honey wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Allegro wrote:
Honey wrote:
I realise that the aim of the vaccine is to stop death not infection


No longer the case.


www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n888

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evide...ission-how-does-work

No longer the case...

So the aim was to prevent death but now the aim of the vaccine is to stop infection? What, just for the sake of it?

Must be crap then because everyone seems to be getting infected left right and flipping centre!

Indeed. Hard to know what to think. Depending on which "science" you select masks are effective and they aren't effective; vaccination reduces transmission and it doesn't reduce transmission. Meanwhile yes loads of people seem to be getting infected at a very fast and growing rate. Vast majority feeling a bit crap but are fine. But - forgetting definitions of Covid deaths - the death rate is effectively now 0% with vaccinations; so I just wish the world would grow up and move on.

Let's build up our immune systems normally. Stop putting this junk in our systems. If you have good immune system you can fight of covid, cold and flu.

I have been told by GP not to have it but was told to be careful.

Green Man wrote:
Let's build up our immune systems normally. Stop putting this junk in our systems. If you have good immune system you can fight of covid, cold and flu.

I have been told by GP not to have it but was told to be careful.

Not to alarm you, but really healthy people are becoming very sick too. Ok, not hospitalised, and mostly not dead, which is the main thing, but certainly not trivial and with a lot of time at work missed.

We were really shocked when my daughter caught it. She is very healthy, single vaxxed, no conditions, very active lifestyle, and is an athlete.
We expected her to be symptomless but she was very unwell for ten days and a couple of weeks later is still not quite herself.

If you cant have one of the vaccinations maybe you could have the other? It really isn't possible to "be careful" unless you never go out and clean stuff as it comes in, and nobody can do that for very long.
And even if you did, you would still need medical attention at some point, and hospitals and clinics are hotspots for infection.

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Let's build up our immune systems normally. Stop putting this junk in our systems. If you have good immune system you can fight of covid, cold and flu.

I have been told by GP not to have it but was told to be careful.

Not to alarm you, but really healthy people are becoming very sick too. Ok, not hospitalised, and mostly not dead, which is the main thing, but certainly not trivial and with a lot of time at work missed.

We were really shocked when my daughter caught it. She is very healthy, single vaxxed, no conditions, very active lifestyle, and is an athlete.
We expected her to be symptomless but she was very unwell for ten days and a couple of weeks later is still not quite herself.

If you cant have one of the vaccinations maybe you could have the other? It really isn't possible to "be careful" unless you never go out and clean stuff as it comes in, and nobody can do that for very long.
And even if you did, you would still need medical attention at some point, and hospitals and clinics are hotspots for infection.

I'm just going by on what my GP said.