Apparently our war criminal troops are stressed out !

All together now ..... Ahhhh !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6927659.stm

Here we go again...

Is it not possible that most of the troops don't want to be there in the first place, and are only there as a result of poor decisions taken at a MUCH hugher level.

I imagine you'd be happier if we had no police force, no armed forces and the country was allowed to descend into anarchy...

Or, would you rather live in Baghdad?

Agreed Pete. Whilst our troops are on the frontline our ex PM Blair is sunning himself at Cliff Richard's hilltop villa in Barbados.

Pete Clarke wrote:

I imagine you'd be happier if we had no police force, no armed forces and the country was allowed to descend into anarchy...

Or, would you rather live in Baghdad?

Are who, exaclty says it would descend into anarchy?

We already live in a police state (try protesting at a Labour Conference and see what happens !)

You will soon have to produce you "papers" (ID cards) for the "authorities" on demand. You can already have your movements checked via CCTV and car tracking. How long before we have to "apply" for permission to travel?

No one forced the troops to join-up, did they?
Perhaps if they had a less violent occupation (C4 currently reporting hundreds of civilians killed in "precision bombing mission" - stop laughing !!!! - in Afghanistan) then we would not have suicide bombers on our shores?

Burying your head in the sand Pete helps NO ONE !

You really are an idiot ITK. You always miss the point on everything you post and give the impression that you are merely trying to stoke up an argument. The troops are to blame for doing their jobs are they? is that what you are saying? Consider the implications before you shoot your mouth off because the alternative is having no army - would that work ITK? would it?

I thought you said you were going to stop posting?

I don't support the war, I don't even support the troops but I understand it is not their responsibility. (If it should be is a side issue).

In whatever circumstances the sarcastic mocking of people who are becoming ill is mean-minded.

I do take your points, Pete and Chrissy, but largely I'm with ITK on this.

I'm sure I'd be stressed out in our troops' situation, but then I would never choose such a profession.

What do you expect to happen if you choose the forces as a career? Particularly for a country which is the USA's lapdog? A picnic on the beach?

Godiver wrote:
You really are an idiot ITK. You always miss the point on everything you post and give the impression that you are merely trying to stoke up an argument. The troops are to blame for doing their jobs are they? is that what you are saying? Consider the implications before you shoot your mouth off because the alternative is having no army - would that work ITK? would it?

I thought you said you were going to stop posting?

Hey Godiver - did you know?

Costa Rica is the ONLY country in the world that does not have an army.
And guess what? It ALSO has the highest standard of living in Latin America !

Anthony wrote:
I do take your points, Pete and Chrissy, but largely I'm with ITK on this.

I'm sure I'd be stressed out in our troops' situation, but then I would never choose such a profession.

What do you expect to happen if you choose the forces as a career? Particularly for a country which is the USA's lapdog? A picnic on the beach?

Hi Anthony

If you read the article it said that the troops started to become "stressed" if they had to work more than 13 months in any 3 years ! Oh dear ! How sad ! Did someone actually expect them to work for all the time they are being paid then?

If the rest of us only worked for one third of the time we were paid for the world would grind to a halt.

Yeah ITK, I thought you were retiring...?

What happened? Did the missus get sick and tired of your constant whingeing and dribbling.

You know, if this is such a bad place to live why don't you just f*ck off and live somewhere else where your civil liberties are not impinged upon so unfairly.

What a prat!

Why should I move somewhere else to suit you?

You will be very glad that SOMEONE is standing up for people rights one day.

The prat is the one who buries his head in the sand.

No ITK dear, it wouldn't be to suit me.

Personally, I couldn't care less where you live.

Just thinking about you. Your constant whingeing indicates that you are unhappy that you are unlucky enough to have to live in this country.

We need armed forces. If we didn't then we'd all be called Fritz and eating sausages for breakfast.

We need a police force. If we didn't we'd have even more dangerouse streets than we have today.

Yes, we have more CCTV than any other developed nation on Earth. My view is that if you are a law abiding citizen, concerned with nothing more than going about your business, then this is not a problem.

You are a moron ITK. A sensationalist, attention grabbing moron who should be sent to live in China for a few months. Just so you can get a taste of what it's really like to live in an oppresive, police state.

And one last thing, I certainly have not got my head in the sand. I care about REAL issues. Not those dreamt up by some anonymous pundit, who actually appears to becoming more 'In The Dark' by the day.

Now, haven't you got some crusty, rent-a-protest demonstration to attend? Gather up your dog on a twine, and fire up the Levellers on the old Ipod, there's a good boy.

Prat!

Oh dear - some people do live in a delusional world, don't they?

I'm not going to answer all your points (simply because they have been dealt with many times before) and anyway the answer would almost certainly be over your head !

Suffice to say that IF the police behaved themselves - which they seem incapable of doing - then we would not have had a stream of miscarriages of justice, would we?

Perhaps you should stick to posting on utterly irrelevant subjects that you (apparently) know something about - but which are utterly useless and completely irrelevant to society - football, perhaps?

Now on that subject - you would probably be talking to people of an equal intelligence level !

Hey Godiver - did you know?

Costa Rica is the ONLY country in the world that does not have an army.
And guess what? It ALSO has the highest standard of living in Latin America !

Please define 'the highest standard of living'?

Also, you can't win a debate by comparing apples to oranges, or do you seriously consider that the two countries are comparable? Can anyone else see any variants on the ability to do without an armed force between the two?

ITK, you quite clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

You're confusing working with being on tour in a hostile military warzone.

Do you think that when our troops are not deployed they are at home with their feet up, popping down the garden centre, playing pool or catching up with the kids?

Wrong! They're still working you know. They do have UK based workplaces you know...

If you were to actually read the article that you posted about you'll see that it refers to the amount of time that they are deployed. Our troops work full time and you are, once again, totally misguided.

Any blame for the whole Iraq/Afghanistan debacle is should be directed directly at the British government. It is they who are exacerbating the troop's situation by having them work there under-equipped, under-resourced, and all the time operating on questionable moral grounds.

Yes, some of our troops may well be bloodthirsty nutters but without these people we'd be a lot less safer than we are today. And for you to make sweeping generalisations and brand them as 'our war-criminal troops' is scandalous.

The armed forces is a noble profession, and the people who join up deserve our thanks. We are continually in their debt. Your cowardly pseudo-patriotism as absolutely pathetic.

Get a life, why don't you...?

Godiver wrote:
[quote
Also, you can't win a debate by comparing apples to oranges, or do you seriously consider that the two countries are comparable? Can anyone else see any variants on the ability to do without an armed force between the two?[/quote]

I was replying specifically to your "ridicule" that Britain could not possibly survive without an army.
Stop trying to shift goalposts.

Pete Clarke wrote:
Wrong! They're still working you know. They do have UK based workplaces you know...

Doing what - exactly? Sitting in the NAAFI?


Any blame for the whole Iraq/Afghanistan debacle is should be directed directly at the British government. It is they who are exacerbating the troop's situation by having them work there under-equipped, under-resourced, and all the time operating on questionable moral grounds.

Yes, some of our troops may well be bloodthirsty nutters but without these people we'd be a lot less safer than we are today. And for you to make sweeping generalisations and brand them as 'our war-criminal troops' is scandalous.

The armed forces is a noble profession, and the people who join up deserve our thanks. We are continually in their debt. Your cowardly pseudo-patriotism as absolutely pathetic.

What Tosh !

Any "authorisation" (from the UN?) that they may have had was obtained by a series of lies and smears (and dodgy dossiers !). All now proven to be untrue. If the basis for obtaining the "authorisation" was flawed - then surely any such authorisation is also flawed.

The man who put forward the "evidence" (Colin Powell) was so stomach-churned by what was going on that he quit (so as not to tarnish his future?)

You seem blissfully in ignorance (no surprise !) that it is the personal duty of every member of the armed forces to ensure that they are not engaged in war crimes. You cannot commit them and then claim you were "following orders".

As for a "noble profession" - most people seem NOT to agree - which is why the MoD are currently under strength and suffering a huge recruitment problem !

I'm not moving any goalposts, just outlining the inadequacies in your reasoning.

You can't say look at costa rica and then call foul when i say that it is not comparable.

In The Know wrote:
Oh dear - some people do live in a delusional world, don't they?

When you point the finger there are three fingers pointing back.

Godiver wrote:
I'm not moving any goalposts, just outlining the inadequacies in your reasoning.

You can't say look at costa rica and then call foul when i say that it is not comparable.

You said <<< Consider the implications before you shoot your mouth off because the alternative is having no army - would that work ITK? would it? >>>

I have just shown you that it DOES work !