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* Bombshell court documents suggest Jill Dando's killer may have mistaken her for another BBC journalist
* French fashion mogul Gerald Marie, accused of sex assault, 'hired Russian hitman to murder Lisa Brinkworth'
* Assassin may have mistaken Miss Dando for real target given similarities in appearance and occupation
* Miss Dando was gunned down on the doorstep of her home in Fulham, west London, in 1999
* Though stalker Barry George was convicted in 2001, he was later acquitted and investigation remains open
But surely if the hitman went to the wrong address and killed the wrong person, they or someone more efficient would have attempted to kill or have killed the right person by this time.
and presumably gun powder residue cannot be linked to a particular gun or bullet.
I had an argument with a pal a while ago who said "pedos should be beaten and raped in jail"
I argued he was complaining about crime yet advocating it at the same time quite apart from there are innocent people in jail so if they get assaulted he's advocating violence against innocent people..etc etc yadda yadda.
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
Yes Hedda isn't one of the problems affecting humanity and the superficiality of our species that discussion and deep thought have disappeared and people find it impossible to change their minds or - worse - even consider trying to change their minds?
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
It annoyed me when the media said Barry George was obsessed with the BBC etc. He had a subscription to an exclusive BBC magazine that was normally read by staff.
You can magazine's on literary everything. I have no idea how he knew about in-house mag.
Also having a photo or autograph collection of TV stars is nothing out the ordinary. I use to have a few because I worked not far from NBC studios in New York. I used to be an audience member for David Letterman with a few friends. There was roughly a 5 year waiting list for Saturday Night Live.
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
Green Man wrote: Barry George is very odd and eccentric. It was reported he was a stalker. I have no idea if he was or not.
He apparently used stalking as a defence.
Loner Barry George last night claimed he could not have killed Jill Dando because he was stalking another woman at the time of her murder....Mr George also claimed that police had left gunpowder in his flat – a speck found in his coat pocket led to his conviction – and that he had been accused of the murder because he stalked women, something that he promised never to do in future. Green Man wrote: It's scary that a man can be arrested and sent to prison for having a spec of gunpowder that could come from anywhere.
He didn't get compensation because the High Court ruled that the jury could have convicted him on the other evidence.
Barry George, wrongly convicted of the murder of BBC TV presenter Jill Dando, has lost a bid for compensation.
His case followed a Supreme Court ruling that widened the circumstances under which compensation could be paid.
But the High Court ruled he did not qualify because jurors could still reasonably have convicted him despite new evidence that led to his acquittal. ...
He told MWT that he didn't know who Jill Dando was or that she lived near him (at around 15 mins 00 secs).
Yet "Police found George's flat strewn with gun and celebrity magazines and papers" (BBC).
Judging from comments under articles about the hitman story on Facebook, many people think, correction, "know" Jill Dando was killed because she was about to reveal all about "Saville/Saveel/Savvill" and "peedoos a tthe BBC".
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
Jo wrote: Green Man wrote: Barry George is very odd and eccentric. It was reported he was a stalker. I have no idea if he was or not.
He apparently used stalking as a defence.
Loner Barry George last night claimed he could not have killed Jill Dando because he was stalking another woman at the time of her murder....Mr George also claimed that police had left gunpowder in his flat – a speck found in his coat pocket led to his conviction – and that he had been accused of the murder because he stalked women, something that he promised never to do in future. Green Man wrote: It's scary that a man can be arrested and sent to prison for having a spec of gunpowder that could come from anywhere.
He didn't get compensation because the High Court ruled that the jury could have convicted him on the other evidence.
Barry George, wrongly convicted of the murder of BBC TV presenter Jill Dando, has lost a bid for compensation.
His case followed a Supreme Court ruling that widened the circumstances under which compensation could be paid.
But the High Court ruled he did not qualify because jurors could still reasonably have convicted him despite new evidence that led to his acquittal. ...
He told MWT that he didn't know who Jill Dando was or that she lived near him (at around 15 mins 00 secs).
Yet "Police found George's flat strewn with gun and celebrity magazines and papers" (BBC).
Judging from comments under articles about the hitman story on Facebook, many people think, correction, "know" Jill Dando was killed because she was about to reveal all about "Saville/Saveel/Savvill" and "peedoos a tthe BBC".
Claiming at the same time that "everybody" already knew.
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
So Barry George, loved magazines and celebrities. I love to know what evidence was uses in the court room. Everything sounds circumstantial evidence not hard evidence.
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
Honey wrote: Even if this bonkers theory is correct, it is not very nice to splash some poor cow's photo everywhere and tell us she should have been murdered.
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
He didn't get compensation because the High Court ruled that the jury could have convicted him on the other evidence.
Is there a court transcript. You have to remember Jo, the jury don't want to be there.
Was there gun expert in the court room or in the jury ? Yes Barry George is a complete oddball but is he a killer ? I doubt it. However he could of done with good pyschothearpy in his earlier years.
The scientist who studied the particles, Dr Keeley, told
the court that it was possible that contamination was
responsible for the presence of the particle. He claimed
that the possibility was small but the possibility could
never be ignored. The defence scientist, Dr Lloyd, a forensic scientist with over thirty years of experience, told
the court that “It is my view that this evidence is not reliable as
evidence of the defendant’s involvement in the shooting… There is
no particular reason why this particle can be so related to the shooting of Miss Dando.”
The jacket had been removed from its protective bag
and had been placed upon a work surface in a photographic studio that housed ammunition. Items found at
the crime scene, such as the bullet and cartridge as well
as Miss Dando’s front door (which is where the bullet
hit after passing through the victim’s head) were photographed in the studio. Contamination could have occurred here. The search team, who recovered the jacket,
had not worn forensic clothing whilst searching
George’s flat. One of the officers who was present, and
who had handled the jacket, had handled ammunition
whilst wearing the same clothing.
The vehicle in which the jacket was taken away had not
been sampled, contrary to procedure, and therefore it
may have contained forensic evidence which found its
way on to the packaging and eventually on to the jacket
itself.
Recent evidence has come to light that could explain
how the particle could have found its way in to the
jacket pocket. George has always maintained that the
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none had a reason to remember the time (other than the
£250,000 reward for information leading to a conviction) whilst Bicknell (who had dealt with George, who
incidentally was her first client because it was her first
day of working at Hafad, and therefore she had a reason
to remember the time) had maintained that the visit was
made at 11:50. A second woman was equally certain
that the time was “around midday.”
George did have a criminal record before he was found
guilty of murder. In 1983 he had been found guilty of
attempting to rape a woman. This crime, for which he
pleaded guilty, is completely inexcusable. However, after his release from prison (he was sentenced to thirtythree months) he became a reformed character. All of
the evidence suggests that he did not commit any illegal
activity from 1985 onwards. George had been interviewed in connection with the murder of Rachel Nickell
in 1992. This was because of his criminal record. It was
determined that he had no involvement in this crime.
However, George suffers from paranoia and therefore
such an experience with the police deeply worried him.
From this point on he feared that he would be blamed
for crimes committed near where he lived.
When Miss Dando was shot less than half a mile from
where he lived, and when the police provided a description of the man they were hunting that matched the appearance of George, then he expected the police to turn
up at his home at any time. He told people that he
feared ‘they’ would blame him for Miss Dando’s murder.
After all, this would explain why George felt he had to
verify his movements on the day of the murder. He told
the police “I went back there basically to account for my
movements so if a situation did come up, I could address it to my solicitor.” The jury no doubt wondered
why a man could be worried that the police would approach him. However, they were not at all aware of his
paranoia and the fact that he had been interviewed in
connection with a murder he had no involvement in.
Neither the police nor the prosecution have ever discovered a reason why George would wish to shoot Jill
Dando. A murder weapon has never been found and at
no point has George made a mistake by providing incriminating information. After his first appeal hearing
was dismissed Barry George issued the following statement. Please remember these words:
“I did not murder Jill Dando and I believe that one day the truth
will come out. I only hope and pray that this happens in my lifetime. I have spent over two years in prison for a crime I simply did
not commit. I have struggled hard during this prosecution against
me to keep my faith in the British criminal justice system. Today,
that faith and belief has been destroyed.”
police took firearms in to his flat when they first
searched it. This is common police procedure when it is
believed that a suspect may own weapons. It was during
this first search that the jacket was found and taken away
for examination. The jacket’s pockets were opened inside the flat whilst particles of FDR could have been in
the air as a result of the presence of armed officers. Numerous witnesses, including a church minister, have spoken about how they each saw armed police enter on that
day. It would seem that the slight possibility is now appreciably larger.
Only one witness was able to say that she was “very
sure”that she saw George on the day of Jill Dando’s
murder. Susan Mayes saw a man across the road from
29 Gowan Avenue at 07:00, four and a half hours before
the shooting. This man may not have been responsible
for the crime. Mayes told the court that she looked at
the man for five to six seconds. During some of this
time his face was turned away. However, eighteen
months later she identified George as the man she had
seen.
The integrity of this witness’s evidence is questionable,
partly because she had originally described the man she
had seen as having a “short and smart haircut”yet later
she described it as long and untidy. There is significant
evidence to suggest that the police influenced Mayes’
identification. This is not an unknown occurrence. A
trial recently collapsed in Sheffield when it emerged that
the police had told a witness to pick out a particular man
from a parade. Importantly neither of the witnesses
who saw the killer, immediately following the crime,
identified George as the man they had seen.
Can the evidence against George be described as
‘compelling’? It would seem not. It would also appear
that his actions on the day of the murder can be accounted for.
Susan Bicknell claimed that George was with her at
11:50am, on 26 April 1999, at a disability centre known
as Hammersmith and Fulham Action for Disability
(Hafad). Hafad is located approximately half a mile
away from 29 Gowan Avenue (around one mile away
from George’s flat). It must be remembered that the
shooting occurred at 11:30. The court heard that, because of the distances involved, if George’s actions
could be accounted for any time between 11:00 and
12:00 then there was no chance whatsoever that he
could be responsible. George does not drive and the
gunman would have certainly been covered in blood.
When he entered Hafad, George was wearing a yellow
shirt and an anorak type jacket; the killer was wearing
very different clothing. The prosecution claimed that
Bicknell was wrong about her timing of the visit. They
stated that other women had told the police that the visit
could have been as late as 14:00. These women had only
introduced the late times after a year had elapsed, and
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Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
Yet "Police found George's flat strewn with gun and celebrity magazines and papers".
Talk about clutching at straws. I saw a documentary on Colin Stagg. The police immediately looked on his book shelves and found a book on true crime or something similar. They immediately asked him about it and put him in a bracket.
So is reading a magazines on hobbies and reading non fiction books is now a crime ?
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
Green Man wrote: Yet "Police found George's flat strewn with gun and celebrity magazines and papers".
Talk about clutching at straws. I saw a documentary on Colin Stagg. The police immediately looked on his book shelves and found a book on true crime or something similar. They immediately asked him about it and put him in a bracket.
So is reading a magazines on hobbies and reading non fiction books is now a crime ?
an old Plod trick.
Consider the sad case of the murder of little Rikki Neave whose mother had a magazine (part of a series available each month in newsagents) on the occult and it was used as "evidence" against her when she was convicted (later found innocent)
Mother of murdered Rikki Neave hopes to challenge her child cruelty conviction
Exclusive: Ruth Neave aims to overturn 1996 verdict as James Watson is sentenced for six-year-old’s killing
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
Green Man wrote: Yet "Police found George's flat strewn with gun and celebrity magazines and papers".
Talk about clutching at straws. I saw a documentary on Colin Stagg. The police immediately looked on his book shelves and found a book on true crime or something similar. They immediately asked him about it and put him in a bracket.
So is reading a magazines on hobbies and reading non fiction books is now a crime ?
No. The point I was making was that Barry George told MWT that he didn't know who Jill Dando was or where she lived yet had a house full of celebrity magazines. She was everywhere on TV in the late 1990s (see her filmography www.imdb.com/name/nm0199250/), and on the front covers of magazines shortly before she died. Chances are she'd have been in some of the magazines he had. You'd have had to be living under a rock not to know who Jill Dando was, without even needing to have a house full of magazines on celebrities and guns or have a record for developing obsessions about celebrities. So I think George was being deceptive about not knowing who she was.
The Nick Ross article I posted in the first post and article by someone who appears to be a gun expert, which Nick Ross links to at the end of his article, answer a lot of questions.
Re:Jill Dando: hapless hitman theory 1 Year, 9 Months ago
hedda wrote: Green Man wrote: Yet "Police found George's flat strewn with gun and celebrity magazines and papers".
Talk about clutching at straws. I saw a documentary on Colin Stagg. The police immediately looked on his book shelves and found a book on true crime or something similar. They immediately asked him about it and put him in a bracket.
So is reading a magazines on hobbies and reading non fiction books is now a crime ?
an old Plod trick.
Consider the sad case of the murder of little Rikki Neave whose mother had a magazine (part of a series available each month in newsagents) on the occult and it was used as "evidence" against her when she was convicted (later found innocent)
Mother of murdered Rikki Neave hopes to challenge her child cruelty conviction
Exclusive: Ruth Neave aims to overturn 1996 verdict as James Watson is sentenced for six-year-old’s killing