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Standards of what? Teachers capacity to have chairs thrown at them? Parents capacity to tolerate chairs thrown at their children without complaining? Throw more labels on "problem" children as if ADHD is actually a thing?
Not long ago I was waiting in a supposedly quiet part of an airport, when a couple came and sat nearby with their son, who looked to be around 5. He spent the whole time running around, jumping on and off the chairs and saying "aaaaah", "nnnnng", "waah", "eeeeh", etc. The parents occasionally said "shh", but were mostly busy on their smartphones. I had him down as a little brat and them as feckless parents. But when they eventually left, pushing him in a chair with wheels (not a wheelchair as such, but some kind of wheeled chair that may have been provided by the airport), I realised that he hadn't actually been articulating words. So I wondered if he may have had some kind of problem like autism. But if he had behaved like that in class, he'd have been hugely disruptive and would have made it very difficult for any teaching to be done.
Standards of what? Teachers capacity to have chairs thrown at them? Parents capacity to tolerate chairs thrown at their children without complaining? Throw more labels on "problem" children as if ADHD is actually a thing?
The problem is with the parents. Dare to say it.
Now that mothers are obliged to work and children are turfed out for breakfast club and home for bed, it is hardly surprising when they succumb to herd mentality, have emotional issues, and couldn't give a stuff what their parents say.
Anyone who overcomes this and manages to give their child nourishing food and make them feel loved and wanted, is a total hero in my eyes.
Green Man wrote: What on earth is a Breakfast Club? Don't say it's a movie, Honey.
Children get breakfast at school now, Greenman.
Either for free or very cheap. There is also sometimes an evening meal involved when they go to after school club too.
Green Man wrote: What on earth is a Breakfast Club? Don't say it's a movie, Honey.
Why should any schools have breakfast clubs? It's a school's duty to educate, not feed children all day long. Parents choose to have children and it's their duty to make sure they have breakfast, not a school. I always used to make my own breakfast cereal before school and never left home without doing so. That was instilled into me by my parents. To this day I can rarely ever start the day and be off anywhere without having made cereal, porridge oats or shredded wheat. In schooldays it was nearly always Weetabix or Ready Brek, so I always glowed orange as I walked in. Remember the ad?
The midday school dinner is quite a different thing, obviously middle of the school day that makes sense to offer.
What next, school supper clubs for those to have an evening snack or meal because they have to hang about after school because the parents aren't home for them?
What next, school supper clubs for those to have an evening snack or meal because they have to hang about after school because the parents aren't home for them?
The trouble is Rich school ends in the middle of the afternoon against a working day, and we have set up a society/economy where most couples both have to work to have any hope of any quality of life. To the detriment of the children.
Green Man wrote: I do blame the lockdowns Wyot, also I wonder if the kids are acting up because they lost a loved one or know someone who is vaccine injured.
In my experience GM the children of the parents who actually bother parenting, were well behaved before lockdown and after. The reverse being true for the children of parents who don't bother parenting. I don't think lockdown is a significant factor overall.
Rich wrote: Green Man wrote: What on earth is a Breakfast Club? Don't say it's a movie, Honey.
Why should any schools have breakfast clubs? It's a school's duty to educate, not feed children all day long. Parents choose to have children and it's their duty to make sure they have breakfast, not a school. I always used to make my own breakfast cereal before school and never left home without doing so. That was instilled into me by my parents. To this day I can rarely ever start the day and be off anywhere without having made cereal, porridge oats or shredded wheat. In schooldays it was nearly always Weetabix or Ready Brek, so I always glowed orange as I walked in. Remember the ad?
The midday school dinner is quite a different thing, obviously middle of the school day that makes sense to offer.
What next, school supper clubs for those to have an evening snack or meal because they have to hang about after school because the parents aren't home for them?
I would go further and ask why we are paying for other people's children to go to daycare.
Unless there is a particular reason (and nobody would begrudge it then) there is no long term benefit to the child, so the only point of it is so parents can work instead of looking after their child.
Rich wrote: Green Man wrote: What on earth is a Breakfast Club? Don't say it's a movie, Honey.
Why should any schools have breakfast clubs? It's a school's duty to educate, not feed children all day long. Parents choose to have children and it's their duty to make sure they have breakfast, not a school. I always used to make my own breakfast cereal before school and never left home without doing so. That was instilled into me by my parents. To this day I can rarely ever start the day and be off anywhere without having made cereal, porridge oats or shredded wheat. In schooldays it was nearly always Weetabix or Ready Brek, so I always glowed orange as I walked in. Remember the ad?
The midday school dinner is quite a different thing, obviously middle of the school day that makes sense to offer.
What next, school supper clubs for those to have an evening snack or meal because they have to hang about after school because the parents aren't home for them?
I can't image schools offering supper clubs, the days of pipe smoking and wine tasting in schools are long gone. I hated that the best lessons were after school not during school hours.
Honey wrote:
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[quote]Green Man wrote:
so the only point of it is so parents can work instead of looking after their child.
I would be interested to know how many parents would prefer not to have to work as well as their spouse, and look after their children instead? As it is most couples can't pay a mortgage or afford rent unless both are working. Crazy way to set up a society if you want well nurtured children.
What next, school supper clubs for those to have an evening snack or meal because they have to hang about after school because the parents aren't home for them?
The trouble is Rich school ends in the middle of the afternoon against a working day, and we have set up a society/economy where most couples both have to work to have any hope of any quality of life. To the detriment of the children.
Wyot, to think that when I was at school in the 80's they were telling us that in the near future when we grew up we would have so much leisure time we wouldn't know what to do with it due to technology changing. This was said time and again.
Nothing I was told in school back then has actually come true, but perhaps nuclear world war 3 is about to, they might get that right.
Rich wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Rich wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
Wyot, to think that when I was at school in the 80's they were telling us that in the near future when we grew up we would have so much leisure time we wouldn't know what to do with it due to technology changing. This was said time and again.
I think they were just a little premature for our generation Rich. But with AI it is coming. It will do everything, unless as you say, we are all about to be anihilated because of a few fragile egos with all the missiles. Then we will all have an eternity of leisure time, let's hope!
I listened to this excellent podcast earlier in the year, with the old TV science & space broadcaster James Burke as a guest talking to the late Howard Hughes who very sadly died a few days ago unexpectedly just after I mentioned his Unexplained podcast to Green Man. What timing.
He talks here at one point about AI literally taking everyone's need to do almost anything in the not very far future. You sound like you might be interested so I'll leave the link to it here on Apple podcasts where I get all my listening. They play alright for anyone straight from the site without a login or membership.
The Unexplained with Howard Hughes - Episode 792 - 18th February 2024 - Guest: James Burke
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