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#253796
Wyot

Obesity 1 Month ago  
So obesity needs re-defining and prior to obesity people who have not yet run into the problems they will do are "pre clinically obese".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79dz14d30ro

So while we normalise being very overweight (the biggest killer now in the developed world) presumably there is no chance the Government will re-label smokers who don't yet have cancer as "pre clinical smokers".

Smokers can be shamed and frightened into quitting but let's make it easier to stay obese...

We are SO muddled...
 
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#253801
Green Man

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
These fat bastards need to learn about calorie deficit.

Then again processed foods are cheaper than proper food.
 
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#253810
Rich

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
Start taking PE in school more seriously again. That might help for a start. I've never understood why people allow themselves to keep gaining excessive weight more and more. I have a natural weight thermostat, if I get too high I notice and it makes me go down again. I'm always within a narrow range give or take a few pounds around 12 and a half stone. Any higher and I act to bring it down. Weigh yourself once a week and keep an eye on it so you don't creep up without realising. While I don't think it's fair to weight children at school I do think they should be encouraged to do so at home and be weight aware. Just because you age does not mean you have got to add the pounds either, I'm much the same now as I was thirty years ago in my early to mid 20's.
 
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#253828
Green Man

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
I think PE in schools is a joke it's more focused on team sports, if there is a kid who is awful at game he/she is never picked they become a goalie by default. I guess they burn calories by getting cold.

My school had a cricket team but you had selected by the Head of Games to do that it was very elite. He was another sadistic tosser and had thing for schoolgirls no matter what their ages were.

Rugby was more tag rugby before I started school almost died from a head injury. So rules were changed, it was pathetic to part in.


In the States there are numerous solo sports people can do if they are not team player like wrestling. Wrestling is taken very seriously in America and across Europe but not in UK and Ireland.

Swimming was more about about body shaming at school.

I was too short for basketball.
 
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#253833
hedda

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
I can understand obesity being a problem with so much processed food these days.

Only a matter of time people are ordered by the government to "shape up or ship out".

Perhaps like Tony Blair's dictate to people to stop diagnosing their depression.
Surprised he didn't say it's all in the mind.
 
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#253857
Rich

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
hedda wrote:
I can understand obesity being a problem with so much processed food these days.

Only a matter of time people are ordered by the government to "shape up or ship out".

Perhaps like Tony Blair's dictate to people to stop diagnosing their depression.
Surprised he didn't say it's all in the mind.


How about this at school as a physical fitness regime - youtu.be/fISgKl8dB3M?si=IrsHDBibJ0csllbS

There are a lot of films about this school online, apparently JFK inspired, La Sierra High. Just look at the boys hanging on the poles 9 seconds into it. How hard does that look. It's kind of inspirational to look at and appears very motivating, and that's the problem with PE in school for many, it lacked motivation if you hated the things they made you do. I quite enjoyed the fitness tests we used to do in our sports hall and aiming for certain figures or times. Liked the individual stuff, hated the team games. We always had to do our fitness tests in bare chests despite having a vest for PE. Our 80's PE teachers seemed to prefer us in our bare chests and make us do it that way just like in the film above. They used the word "skins" a lot, which often made some freak out with anxiety at the thought. I bet it's the PE teachers who are too nervous nowadays to tell boys to do barechested PE. Was this the same for anyone else? I can't claim we were as fit as that lot though from the 1960's. Maybe even the British military isn't giving the recruits as hard a time physically as that school and others then did. When we finished we were never allowed to leave without the mandatory communal shower being taken, sweat or no sweat, and you didn't wear shorts in it either.
 
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#253879
hedda

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
Yes Rich I recall the days of PE and sport's day as well with lots of running around and getting much exercise and all sweaty.

Followed by the obligatory communal shower (which I hated) and the bonus with us was the Olympic athlete sport's master used to join in.

He'd be on charges these days.
 
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#253899
Green Man

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
hedda wrote:
Yes Rich I recall the days of PE and sport's day as well with lots of running around and getting much exercise and all sweaty.

Followed by the obligatory communal shower (which I hated) and the bonus with us was the Olympic athlete sport's master used to join in.

He'd be on charges these days.


One PE leered over his clipboard and pretended to do the register over and over. Fucking hated him, I'm sure he wore budgie smuggler's so he could hide a stiffy.

One of my sister's was on a very period my mother wrote a letter to the PE teacher. The teacher thought my sister wrote it. My mum went to the school after work and said to the teacher do you get periods? Most PE teachers were school bullies who never matured.
 
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#253914
Green Man

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
Rich wrote:
hedda wrote:
I can understand obesity being a problem with so much processed food these days.

Only a matter of time people are ordered by the government to "shape up or ship out".

Perhaps like Tony Blair's dictate to people to stop diagnosing their depression.
Surprised he didn't say it's all in the mind.


How about this at school as a physical fitness regime - youtu.be/fISgKl8dB3M?si=IrsHDBibJ0csllbS

There are a lot of films about this school online, apparently JFK inspired, La Sierra High. Just look at the boys hanging on the poles 9 seconds into it. How hard does that look. It's kind of inspirational to look at and appears very motivating, and that's the problem with PE in school for many, it lacked motivation if you hated the things they made you do. I quite enjoyed the fitness tests we used to do in our sports hall and aiming for certain figures or times. Liked the individual stuff, hated the team games. We always had to do our fitness tests in bare chests despite having a vest for PE. Our 80's PE teachers seemed to prefer us in our bare chests and make us do it that way just like in the film above. They used the word "skins" a lot, which often made some freak out with anxiety at the thought. I bet it's the PE teachers who are too nervous nowadays to tell boys to do barechested PE. Was this the same for anyone else? I can't claim we were as fit as that lot though from the 1960's. Maybe even the British military isn't giving the recruits as hard a time physically as that school and others then did. When we finished we were never allowed to leave without the mandatory communal shower being taken, sweat or no sweat, and you didn't wear shorts in it either.



It was a good regime the school followed there in the video Rich. You are doing it for yourself, not chasing a lump of air locked in a sphere. Those T levels were healthy. Now some lads in their late teens have moobs. PE in the States is both a team and a solo effort. It's why wrestling is popular in America and parts of Europe. You do it for yourself but you represent your school/college and maybe get a scholarship.

I guess that in the UK they focus on ball games because it's easy to get a class into teams and let them do their little matches and the teachers just watch from a distance.

Hurdles were removed from school as too many pupils had injuries, the Irish are not known for their height. Hurling was brutal but it was good to shove people who you didn't like and twat them on their backs.

You may have rounders but it's just baseball without the plates, tobacco, gum and steroids.
 
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#253917
Rich

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
Before I'd even gone up to the big school we had an un-announced visit by our next PE teacher as we worked our final weeks in primary school. Girls had to leave and other boys joined us from elsewhere. Next thing he was having everyone strip down to nothing but underpants. An air of supressed panic swept the classroom as our familiar day had been struck with this stranger telling us to do this with no warning and we all suddenly felt very exposed, vulnerable and self conscious, clothes piled on the desks in front of us. We then all had to walk up to the front where he took all our vital statistics with a measure, inside leg, waist, chest, biceps, you name it. All for future PE kit size ordering apparently. He could have done it all with our stuff still on. I'm convinced to this day all he was doing was trying it on and making excuses to check out the state of the raw meat he was going to have to deal with when we arrived as his new intake eight weeks later. I think he'd have had our underpants off us if he could have done but that would have to wait a bit longer until he watched us in the showers time and again once we arrived all fresh faced where he worked.

There was an obsession with shirtlessness that I remember. We got sent out one fresh morning without tops on, on his orders. It was actually rather a cold wind. I think he'd underestimated how cool it actually was. There were complaints about it. The solution wasn't to go back in a fetch something to wear, oh no. It was to stop complaining, man up (we're about 13) and get running immediate laps of the large school playing fields in order to warm ourselves up. He said this to us while layered up warm wearing a long sleeved tracksuit top with t-shirt underneath and matching long legged jogging bottoms too.

And if hygiene was so vital after physical education that they were so strict and obsessive on mandating we all went into the showers, how come we were only ever using plain water? Someone in my year decided one day to bring soap and shampoo with him and was told off for taking too long to clean himself and had the water turned off on him and was made to just towel the excess soap off himself. The same man who did that was known to send others straight back in to hang around under the water for longer if he thought they were too quick.

In my entire school year there was only one slightly chubby boy among the lot of us, and I'd not have called him obese.

Most PE teachers are total failures at what they do with the majority of us. They fail to inspire or make us want to continue the subject after leaving school, and infact give many very good reasons to hate it. I did get good A grades for effort though.
 
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#253938
Green Man

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
Sounds like your PE teacher was another school nonce. Every school has them some teachers are better hiding it than others.

It must of have been degrading for the girls Rich, especially if they are on their periods. Some girls at my school had to carry on even do swimming, whilst menustrating. "Chlorine will cure that, it's only blood" is what the the lady PE teacher said.

Schools are brutal places.
 
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#253943
Jo

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
Sounds as if that PE teacher was a real creep, Rich. Thankfully the PE teachers I had at school were OK (it was the drama teacher who was dodgy, with girls) and I don't remember ever having to shower at school, though there were showers in the PE department. Showering after swimming in the local pool was done with costumes on.
 
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#253946
Wyot

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
My goodness there is a lot of negativity here about PE teachers!!!
I don't recall and "dodgy" behaviour (and I was a rather pretty boy) and never heard anyone else mention it.
I had some good ones who encouraged and developed my cricket...
 
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#253958
Rich

Re:Obesity 1 Month ago  
This subject always gets people going even if they've been long out of school. No other subjects have this effect as much.

Just to say, my school was one of the more decent ones in the area and a serving Labour MP elected last year went to it. Although that probably doesn't mean much for that lot.

The PE teacher I mentioned actually became possibly my favourite of the lot and we got on well enough. He wasn't really a creep at all but writing down makes it seem that way in this day and age. I was a boy who detested football but liked doing other sport, so was not an all out physical education hater. I think that kind of behaviour was par for the course at the time rather than the individual having any dubious intentions or character. All the rest of them were fairly okay by the standards of the day. You just had to suck up their ways even if you were the types that were inclined to more modesty. My close group of friends were all football haters too and many disliked removing tops for a PE lesson even though we were all in good shape really. Nobody really wanted to shower in school did they.

Wyot you mentioned being a pretty boy, I had very thick longish dark blond hair and that often drew attention and made you noticed more than the dark haired boys just generally. One time a lady in our school canteen pulled me aside as I handed my plate back after dinner and asked if she could have a copy of my latest school photo that had just been taken. That was a weird one. She never got it. I never asked back home if she could and she never followed it up.

GM, back to a couple of your comments about nonce and hurdling. We did have a very suspicious deputy head teacher who made a regular habit of coming into our changing rooms when I was 14 and standing around pretending to chat to the PE teacher and always at the time boys were showering, and his eyes were never on his conversation but always on us. I was suspicious at the time why he did that when it was not exactly fashionable to think that way even with adults, never mind us young ones. It kept happening. He had no reason to be there at all. He left my school the same year as me and went to be head of an all boys school I found out years later, and further on got a knightghood and became an education czar for the Blair government. Make of that what you will.

On hurdling and injuries, I saw this first hand. We used to hurdle in the summer months on an all weather pitch which had rough terracotta gravel surface. Boys summer athletics was often done barechested and hurdling was a lot, until one morning one of our group hit the hurdle all wrong and fell badly and scraped along the ground and had the nastiest large graze all down one side of his upper body. I feel sore just remembering it now, with all the dirt in the graze. I'd already seen that one coming and it possibly being me the victim. That put an immediate end to hurdling on the all weather surface without tops on, and hurdling was moved to the grass.

To conclude on the obesity and PE, I think I would have really liked the opportunity to give that really intensive PE programme a go at the time, hard as it might have been to achieve. Any other takers? It looks like a confidence builder as well as strength/muscle builder and fat burner, not that we had much fat to burn then. You're so right, so much school PE is about chasing balls about isn't it.
 
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#254083
Nick

Re:Obesity 3 Weeks, 5 Days ago  
There is so much in that last comment that hits the mark with me.

You did not have to be obese to get unwanted attention in physical education. Nothing I did for the life of me would get me to put on some weight or gain muscle until long after school leaving well into my twenties. I was at a place where my PE teachers always expected gym turnout by the male pupils to be shirtless and shorts alone. I was never fine with that. But I took up half marathons and then full marathons at 32 and gained the stamina I was told I never had as a schoolboy. PE teachers offered me no encouragement but plenty of put downs about my frame. The boy who was useless at the cross country according to them ended up running marathons in just over 3 hours 20 minutes. 🏃
 
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#254135
Rich

Re:Obesity 3 Weeks, 5 Days ago  
My school was a one mile walk from home, and for a while at it I even came back home for lunch just to escape the place. This was 4 miles walking each day, equalling 20 miles walking each week, just coming and going from school. That amounted to the same as about 5 cross country runs in a week, before any actual PE. Looking back I don't know why I didn't cycle it. The bike rack was massive and used to be filled solid with all types of bikes from racers to mountain bike types. All of us doing our own fitness regime just to arrive at school. Then of course there was all the cycling many of us used to do after school as well.If cycling had been on the PE timetable I think many people would have adored it. Electric scooters buzzing around with tiny wheels are no substitute. No wonder almost none of us were even slightly overweight at school in the 1970's and 1980's and I actually agree that more of us were probably on the thinner side and concerned by that rather than obesity.
 
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#254716
Rich

Re:Obesity 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
Jo wrote:
Sounds as if that PE teacher was a real creep, Rich. Thankfully the PE teachers I had at school were OK (it was the drama teacher who was dodgy, with girls) and I don't remember ever having to shower at school, though there were showers in the PE department. Showering after swimming in the local pool was done with costumes on.

I missed this comment a couple of weeks ago Jo, you mentioned a drama teacher, well we had one who had a penchant for creating roles to be played out on the school drama studio stage for viewing by the rest of school which involved collections of boys minus their shirts, one I watched involved another entire drama class of boys like this, a loose adaptation along the lines of the old William Golding story The Lord Of The Flies about a derert island scenario. Our own drama class faced similar here and there where we role played with shirts off to each other or danced about to music from the current charts. He was keen to place people into uncomfortable situations to try and boost confidence it was said and would give out parts to people rather than ask for volunteers. Most of us hated most of what we did and were not destined for an extroverted outgoing career in the dramatic arts. Whether this little anecdote makes him dodgy I've no idea but I never got such a vibe off the guy personally.
 
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#254717
Green Man

Re:Obesity 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
Rich wrote:
My school was a one mile walk from home, and for a while at it I even came back home for lunch just to escape the place. This was 4 miles walking each day, equalling 20 miles walking each week, just coming and going from school. That amounted to the same as about 5 cross country runs in a week, before any actual PE. Looking back I don't know why I didn't cycle it. The bike rack was massive and used to be filled solid with all types of bikes from racers to mountain bike types. All of us doing our own fitness regime just to arrive at school. Then of course there was all the cycling many of us used to do after school as well.If cycling had been on the PE timetable I think many people would have adored it. Electric scooters buzzing around with tiny wheels are no substitute. No wonder almost none of us were even slightly overweight at school in the 1970's and 1980's and I actually agree that more of us were probably on the thinner side and concerned by that rather than obesity.

In the 1980s many kids spent hours on end doing basic programming on their Spectrums, C64s and BBC Micros after school and school holidays. They still found time to socialise with friends and go for bike rides.
 
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#254735
Rich

Re:Obesity 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
You see more adults riding bikes nowadays than children where I am. That is a complete reverse to how it was in the 80's.

But then anyone who knows MK will know how great it is for the cyclist who can travel long distances without ever interacting with a car and the only hazard being a yapping dog in the way. I've been riding these routes since 1980 aged eleven when there were only a few major ones and there are more laid every year. This is how to do proper cycleways, not paint off a section at the side of an existing road to push the motor traffic aside. You can even get to The Stables this way now too GM, recently hooked up too.

getaroundmk.org.uk/cycling/where-to-ride/redways

Alexei Sayle has actually done some You Tube videos riding his bike around them. Mr "Ullo John! Gotta New Motor?" I would've never had him down as a keen cyclist for some reason. Here's his first in a series, from the MK Central Station he just got off at.

youtu.be/YZ-WdwFL4NU?si=ftJrACf7jIavs9nT


(I've been trying endlessly to place these links in the way you do GM so you see them properly but without success, no idea what I'm doing wrong, I thought I'd filled the boardcode correctly!)
 
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#254738
Green Man

Re:Obesity 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
It's easier to post YouTube videos on a forum via laptop, you need the full URL.

Wyot, said he had the Spectrum or the C64 what do you own?

 
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