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The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 4 Weeks ago
So it's Monday, 20th January, 2025 and at noon today in Washington, 5pm UK time, Donald John Trump becomes the 47th President of the United States.
I thought I'd just leave a space for all the thoughts about what he ends up getting up to and reactions.
I think it's fair to say it sounds like he's going to sweep back in with a tsunami of actions. Will he really be having teams in cities across America immediately rounding up and detaining illegal immigrants "before sunset" today their time, pardoned the 6th January "hostages" and of course by the end of Tuesday he should have ended the Ukraine war "in a day".
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 4 Weeks ago
People seem to have forgotten about Ukraine. I guess the establishment have ran of money to hide there. Starmer has sold the country to both China and Ukraine. So the UK won't be part of the States. Which is a bummer, I like produce from Vermont.
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 4 Weeks ago
Have no idea how Trump can stop the Ukraine war (he promised within 5 minutes of his inauguration and that's up already) but he's doing the important things..changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America by executive order.
I never knew the USA owned the Gulf but there we are..absolute chaos for international shipping.
How does Trump appease Putin?
The "round-up" of immigrants illegal or otherwise is going to be chaos.
I guarantee the farming sector will be spared does he plan to drive down US wages so Americans have to do the farming jobs?
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 4 Weeks ago
Sky News proving their spectacular bias yet again by opting to show a split screen of President Trump speaking at the same time as the now former President Biden after he lands his helicopter in Maryland and muting Trump, the man that now matters in favour of listening to Biden instead off into retirement.
BBC journalists have also seemingly been given a quota of how many times they must use the term "convicted felon" during today's inauguration broadcasting. The court of appeal is almost certain to quash that soon anyway.
Sebastian Gorka has made a point I agree with about the Fauci and Milley pardons saying they are an admission of guilt. Biden also pardoned 5 family members too, for what? How can you pardon people for crimes they have not been accused of or even committed yet, just incase?
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 4 Weeks ago
Rich wrote: Sky News proving their spectacular bias yet again by opting to show a split screen of President Trump speaking at the same time as the now former President Biden after he lands his helicopter in Maryland and muting Trump, the man that now matters in favour of listening to Biden instead off into retirement.
BBC journalists have also seemingly been given a quota of how many times they must use the term "convicted felon" during today's inauguration broadcasting. The court of appeal is almost certain to quash that soon anyway.
Sebastian Gorka has made a point I agree with about the Fauci and Milley pardons saying they are an admission of guilt. Biden also pardoned 5 family members too, for what? How can you pardon people for crimes they have not been accused of or even committed yet, just incase?
SKY News UK is owned bt Comcast, once you join the dots of what channel they own, it will open your eyes.
If the BBC are shitting themselves, then Trump is okay by me. Looking at the socials, many people seem happy that Trump is making Labour and the establishment nervous.
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 3 Weeks, 5 Days ago
Both Biden and Trump have completely debased and misused the power they have to grant pardons. They are both as bad as each other on this issue and the throwing around of all these pardons rapidly as Biden left office and then as Trump entered was unseemly. Biden apparently officially dished his family ones out 15 minutes before noon on the 20th. I think his are worse actually because he's just covering his own family's backs which tells me there is something to hide rather than a fear of Trump going for them. If they were all innocent of anything Biden would have nothing to fear would he from Trump. Can you just imagine what the outcry would be if Trump had pardoned his family on the way out. Biden's actions blunted any critique of Trump's January 6th pardons which were excessive and in some cases very misguided, but it buys a lot of political capital from the baseline support I suppose now, and you can't argue he means what he says.
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 3 Weeks, 4 Days ago
Wyot wrote: hedda wrote:
Do people watch videos of Trump rally speeches and ignore what he says?
So bloody weird.
They just attend to the sound of his voice Hedda; the reassuring certainty of a man of "strength" casts a balm across their souls...
Possibly correct. Maybe they like the razmatazz but he is actually a very boring speaker who drones on forever.
Twitter is full of MAGA Regret.
One dairy farmer who operates 24 hrs was interviewed by CNN and said half his workforce are undocumented immigrants (amazed he admitted it)
He voted for Trump but does not think he will deport these immigrants but if he did, his business would collapse within days there being no way to train other staff in enough time.
Why on earth would you take that chance?
And if he doesn't think Trump will follow through, despite all the evidence, why would you vote for a candidate that you think is telling fibs?
There is clear evidence that possibly millions of MAGA fans simply paid no attention to what Trump promised or did they miss his threats among the jumbled speeches?
It's real cult like stuff. Like Jim Jones exhorting his followers to drink the Kool Aid with Trump exhorting diabetics to vote for him so he can send the cost of Insulin up to $1000 a month and they obeyed.
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 3 Weeks, 4 Days ago
hedda wrote: Gorka is an absolute nutcase.
Such nonsense on the Biden family pardons.
Trump on numerous occasions promised retribution against his perceived enemies and the Bidens, Fauci were among them.
Trump promised pardons to Jan 6th rioters who beat policemen and smashed The Capitol to pieces.
Do people watch videos of Trump rally speeches and ignore what he says?
So bloody weird.
Where's the evidence they smashed the place and I don't the government and fed agents. Where is Ray Epps and why didn't he get busted for telling people to go inside the Capitol? He is a Fed, that's why.
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 3 Weeks, 4 Days ago
Rich wrote: Sky News proving their spectacular bias yet again by opting to show a split screen of President Trump speaking at the same time as the now former President Biden after he lands his helicopter in Maryland and muting Trump, the man that now matters in favour of listening to Biden instead off into retirement.
BBC journalists have also seemingly been given a quota of how many times they must use the term "convicted felon" during today's inauguration broadcasting. The court of appeal is almost certain to quash that soon anyway.
Sebastian Gorka has made a point I agree with about the Fauci and Milley pardons saying they are an admission of guilt. Biden also pardoned 5 family members too, for what? How can you pardon people for crimes they have not been accused of or even committed yet, just incase?
It sounds like SKY News is playing by the CNN playbook.
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 3 Weeks, 4 Days ago
The dairy farmer who voted for Trump and whose business is half filled by undocumented illegal migrants that would make his business collapse within days if removed under Trump's plans must be as thick as pig shit. You'd vote for someone who is on record as saying they will enact a policy that will ruin you?
I think the truth is more likely that his business would not be ruined and he knows it and that these people are simply running their business on the cheap easy exploitation of these people and would instead have to shift focus in a more responsible direction away from an addiction to this kind of labour. I'm still baffled why all the fruit and vegetables managed to get picked out of the fields of England 25 years ago without any problems long before our own influx and now we can't do without them and these same crops would be left to rot in the fields without them now.
On the pardon issue - how many people know that in the past few days Biden actually pardoned two cop killers? Can you believe that. How must the family of that police officer feel, especially if they are Democrats. Two men known as "the Waverley Two" were originally convicted of the murder in 1998 of police officer Allen Gibson were pardoned by Biden this week. They have admitted being responsible. What message does that send? Even his attorney general advised against it. No explanation from Biden of course. More below on the story;
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 3 Weeks, 3 Days ago
Unlike his first term where he basically coasted along (adding $Trillions of debt) accompanied by a pandemic that almost shut the country down, this is most certainly an entirely different time.
Then Trump hired seasoned veterans of government, even if he did fall out with most.
Now he has a plethora of billionaire Oligarchs behind him calling the shots.
It's the opposite to Putin who gave the Russian Oligarchs a free business hand as long as they left him alone.
Re:The Second Presidency of Donald Trump - A dedicated thread 3 Weeks, 3 Days ago
Rich wrote: The dairy farmer who voted for Trump and whose business is half filled by undocumented illegal migrants that would make his business collapse within days if removed under Trump's plans must be as thick as pig shit. You'd vote for someone who is on record as saying they will enact a policy that will ruin you?
I think the truth is more likely that his business would not be ruined and he knows it and that these people are simply running their business on the cheap easy exploitation of these people and would instead have to shift focus in a more responsible direction away from an addiction to this kind of labour. I'm still baffled why all the fruit and vegetables managed to get picked out of the fields of England 25 years ago without any problems long before our own influx and now we can't do without them and these same crops would be left to rot in the fields without them now.
On the pardon issue - how many people know that in the past few days Biden actually pardoned two cop killers? Can you believe that. How must the family of that police officer feel, especially if they are Democrats. Two men known as "the Waverley Two" were originally convicted of the murder in 1998 of police officer Allen Gibson were pardoned by Biden this week. They have admitted being responsible. What message does that send? Even his attorney general advised against it. No explanation from Biden of course. More below on the story;
A lot of farms are failing due to the government and WEF interfering.
Also, there are some terrible farmers out there who love to exploit cheap labour from abroad, they pay the workers a pittance because room and board are taken out of their wages (cash in hand of course).