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TOPIC: Riots
#254426
Wyot

Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
A Government spokesperson has said the following in response to the Southport riots last summer:

"More widely, work is taking place across government – underscored by our Plan for Change – to break down the barriers to opportunity and ensure that every child has the best start in life."

Another plan, terrific...

Breaking down barriers to opportunity is impossible as is ensuring every child has the best start in life, whatever that means.

Anyone else despair about the use of language and paucity of ideas?

I would love to know whether, deep down, these people believe they are achieving something. Or whether they stare at the ceiling in the early hours wondering what the point of them is?
 
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#254429
Rich

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Wyot, with these modern politicians it always seems to me that they like to talk a good journey but they never seem capable of actually reaching the desired destination.
 
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#254432
Downing Street Cat

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Just words. Zero substance.
 
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#254437
Jo

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
This seems to be the Plan for Change, with "break down the barriers to opportunity" and "giving children the best start in life" being the heading and subheading of one of the chapters.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6.../Plan_for_Change.pdf
 
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#254446
Green Man

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Rich wrote:
Wyot, with these modern politicians it always seems to me that they like to talk a good journey but they never seem capable of actually reaching the desired destination.

It makes you wonder if the government want to be the parent of every child in the UK, the government always like to think they know best when they know fuck all, about everyday life. When it comes to elections, you see canvassers going to the suburbs or in the high streets, but you hardly see them knocking around the council estates.

Not even the Tories saved the innocents in the Manchester Arena bombing despite having intel, Labour had intel on Axel. What makes you think the government are going to protect us from another black swan event?
 
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#254448
Wyot

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Rich wrote:
Wyot, with these modern politicians it always seems to me that they like to talk a good journey but they never seem capable of actually reaching the desired destination.

I agree Rich but think it is worse than that - they talk about the wrong things, never the real issue.
 
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#254450
Wyot

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Jo wrote:
This seems to be the Plan for Change, with "break down the barriers to opportunity" and "giving children the best start in life" being the heading and subheading of one of the chapters.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6.../Plan_for_Change.pdf


A stimulating read indeed:

"Help every child to achieve and thrive at school, through excellent teaching and high standards. This will include a focus on disadvantaged children and those with special educational needs and disabilities. Impact will be measured through attainment at the end of secondary school."

Every child: good to know they won't be leaving any out of the plan which will be achieved by teaching effectively. Then measured through tests at the end of school...

This is just a description of the current teaching process, not a bloody "plan".
 
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#254451
Rich

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Jo wrote:
This seems to be the Plan for Change, with "break down the barriers to opportunity" and "giving children the best start in life" being the heading and subheading of one of the chapters.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6.../Plan_for_Change.pdf



The utter banality of it just irritates. Do phrases like that even have to be said? Who wouldn't want to give children the best start in life they could give them. The epitome of meaningless drivel.
 
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#254452
Wyot

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Green Man wrote:
[quote]Rich wrote:



It makes you wonder if the government want to be the parent of every child in the UK,


They certainly appear to believe children can be "improved" by top down central government. What do I know, but I would have thought this unlikely to counter 18 years of shite parenting...
 
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#254456
Green Man

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Wyot wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
Rich wrote:



It makes you wonder if the government want to be the parent of every child in the UK,


They certainly appear to believe children can be "improved" by top down central government. What do I know, but I would have thought this unlikely to counter 18 years of shite parenting...


No one said parenting is easy Wyot. There are not many from the central government who have kids if they do they think all parents can afford private schooling or live in the pleasant suburbs.

Most rough kids can handle their own and could probably teach the government a thing or two.
 
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#254457
Jo

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Wyot wrote:
Jo wrote:
This seems to be the Plan for Change, with "break down the barriers to opportunity" and "giving children the best start in life" being the heading and subheading of one of the chapters.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6.../Plan_for_Change.pdf

A stimulating read indeed:

"Help every child to achieve and thrive at school, through excellent teaching and high standards. This will include a focus on disadvantaged children and those with special educational needs and disabilities. Impact will be measured through attainment at the end of secondary school."

Every child: good to know they won't be leaving any out of the plan which will be achieved by teaching effectively. Then measured through tests at the end of school...

This is just a description of the current teaching process, not a bloody "plan".

It does sound like it, but perhaps they feel the need to reiterate these objectives, in case other parties wouldn't, for example, include a focus on disadvantaged children or those with special educational needs and disabilities. For instance, Reform UK's "Our contract with you" doesn't mention these children, or even the need for excellent teaching and high standards, in its page on education (electronic page 13, document page 11).

assets.nationbuilder.com/reformuk/pages/...h_You.pdf?1718625371
 
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#254461
Green Man

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
I agree that some children should be taken away if the parents can't cope or the child has problems, the government needs to get their own house in order also. When the extra 5 million in the next few years come to the UK, there's going to be a lot of kids falling through the cracks.

ONS only give out the recorded stats.

uk.news.yahoo.com/net-migration-drive-uk...ation-094101092.html
 
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#254464
Rich

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
The most disadvantaged children are white working class boys at the moment, and many have a crisis of confidence.

Infact Starmer leads a party that was made on the backs of the white working class and for them, yet he gives every impression of actually detesting everything they stand for and appears to have proven it. Whatever this odious Labour party is now for, it's not for the white working class of Britain and their future prospects, yet they are the backbone of this nation.
 
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#254466
Wyot

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
Jo wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote:
[quote]Jo wrote:


It does sound like it, but perhaps they feel the need to reiterate these objectives, in case other parties wouldn't, for example, include a focus on disadvantaged children or those with special educational needs and disabilities.


I suppose so Jo. But don't we already focus on disadvantaged children and Special Ed Needs? What do these words actually mean? What does the "focus" consist of? And why the assumption that within broadly the same educational budget and structure as ever, that anything more can be done?
 
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#254479
hedda

Re:Riots 2 Weeks, 5 Days ago  
Rich wrote:
The most disadvantaged children are white working class boys at the moment, and many have a crisis of confidence.

Infact Starmer leads a party that was made on the backs of the white working class and for them, yet he gives every impression of actually detesting everything they stand for and appears to have proven it. Whatever this odious Labour party is now for, it's not for the white working class of Britain and their future prospects, yet they are the backbone of this nation.


You bring up an excellent point.

Starmer cruised in on a once great party that was built over decades by working people and the disadvantaged. He blatantly lied to the parrty members that he would accept and promote the plans that nearly brought a win for Corbyn.

At present all he's done is attack those very same working people.
 
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