"Jonathan King, bumptiously continuing to maintain his innocence to all comers."

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-...ink+again/article.do

Well at least it's a step up from vile pervert LOL;)

The actual article is about Langham,worth a read.

The last sentence says it all..

" with his long, lugubrious and no longer funny face, he makes the perfect scapegoat."

The article states that Langham used his credit card to download porn, this is infact false, he accessed the images for free. God knows how they caught him.

Are you sure about this? It's been widely reported that his name popped up as part of 'Operation Ore'.

This is the US led investigation that has been knocking on the doors of those who have actually used credit cards to buy this disgusting material.

I'm not sure if he did actually pay for it, but if he didn't then couldn't his lawyers have argued that he accidentally happened upon the images whilst browsing more **ahem** acceptable porn?

Methinks it would be very difficult to claim it was a mistake if he'd actually entered his credit card details...

Recently nicknamed Operation Awful. This entire investigation was dicredited by, among others, the BBC. It found that many of those accused by the police were victims of credit card fraud. When confronted the police admitted they had never considered this possibility.

"The police just didn't look for and didn't understand the evidence of wholesale card fraud," Ross Anderson, professor of security engineering at Cambridge University told the BBC. "And as a result, hundreds of people, possibly in the low thousands of people, have been put through a terrible mill with threats of prosecution for child pornography."

Here's just one of the various links provided by Google

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/10/ore_credit_card_fraud/

Operation Awful... Yes, that what it appears to have been. At least from a UK perspective.

After I posted yesterday, I did some reading about Operation Ore. It seems that, unlike their US counterparts, the British police didn't bother to check if the individuals named in the database had actually dowloaded any porn.

And yes, there were many people who became caught up in this investigation for no reason other than being a victim of credit card fraud.

This is scandalous. Considering the stigma that will inevitibly be attached to those who are investigated for this type of offence, you'd think that the rozzers would have taken the time to check all the facts.

But then again...

it's repeated ad naseum in the media and Wilf Self's piece is just a clever dig and ignorant repeat of what is a scandalous manipulation of public thinking by lawmakers that possibly involves horrendous corruption.

I exagerate ?..then read this by highly respected investigative journalist Duncan Campbell who I can remember over the past 20 years has uncovered shocking examples of government and police lies and conspiracies:

his investigation of Operation Ore shows that hundreds of innocent people in the US & UK over the past few years have either been wrongly accused or so traumatised by the sheer hysteria surrounding this subject they have wrongly pleaded guilty out of the enormous pressure upon them.

www.pcpro.co.uk/features/74690/operation-ore-exposed/page3.html

Campbell concludes that a famous and legendary rock star was probably so traumatised by raids where the media were first notified and then allowed to accompany police on raids, he incorrectly pleaded guilty out of sheer terror.

What irks me about the self-appointed experts (and low media types)who put the boot in is that those accused or found guilty in many cases have families themselves including young children who apparently are to be humilated as well when names are dragged through the mud.

As for those who may have been abused themselves when young, like Langham- just try to use that excuse in a court and they'll be howled down, yet experts will pop up and claim abused children have their lives wrecked. The authorities want it both ways. It's a modern witch hunt. Kill a child and if it's not sex related the chances are it will be a one day media wonder.

Even worse-child abuse -physical and mental, now numbers in the hundreds of thousands of cases each year with little done about it. But when the public's collective consciense can be salved by intense media senasations-what do thousand of kids lives matter ?. The general public, the media and police should hang their hypocritical heads in shame.

with all due respect-

5 years a go I used a credit card to buy on the internet-2 years later bills were still arriving including an attempt to spend 2 thousand pounds in a Bangkok boutique.

I successfully challenged each charge until I finally cancelled all my credit cards. I never EVER would use a credit card on the net-I never EVER use a credit card except for dire emergencies or booking into hotels, hire cars etc where it's impossible not to use them.

I never EVER download attachments in emails-I have my computer professionally wiped every 3 months and re-load programs. The capacity for anything to be planted on your computer is frightening and totally out of the ordinary users imagination.

Using the net is like opening all your doors and windows and inviting the world to traipse through your home . Anything can be planted.

Pete Clarke wrote:

This is scandalous. Considering the stigma that will inevitibly be attached to those who are investigated for this type of offence, you'd think that the rozzers would have taken the time to check all the facts.

But then again...

At least they didn't burst in, all guns blazing as they usually do with these cock-ups !

Hi Pete, I'm just repeating what I heard on the recent interview with Langham on Shrink rap on more 4 on tuesday. He claims that these filthy images were available for free and he came across them (no pun intended). He did then download them in order to help him accept his own abuse as a child. I must admit in the interview the story of him been abused did sound quite convincing, then again he did admit to been a compulsive liar and he is an actor.

where this madness leads to:

if anyone followed the antics of Aussie teen lad of 16 Corey Worthington Delaney ( great name !)who held a party which got out of control, you will see he has now been charged with producing child porn.

www.stuff.co.nz/4359309a12.html

This must sum up the hysteria surrounding this subject..while I have no idea of the stuff Langham had..it appears this kid posted some mobile phone film of topless girls playing twister at his party..onto his MySpace profile. Silly perhaps,not very polite or prudent..but a crime ?.

If they want to trawl MySpace then they would probably find tens of thousands of teens doing likewise-it's in the nature of teens to be irresponsible, impulsive and most certainly having little knowledge of the law, something we adults forget as we grow older.

What is the purpose here-to thoroughly punish a teen who society thinks is "out of control " ?..what a horrible situation for him to be in. If found guilty his life will be ruined..placed on a sex offendor registery ( what is the purpose of these registers ?..don't they already have a criminal record ?).
The young guy may be precluded from certain careers and be pilloried in the press..it's a form of child abuse.

And who owns MySpace which encourages kids world-wide to open themselves up and post all their most personal details, giving impressionable teens ideas that they basically can do anything they want in cyberspace ??..why News Ltd of course, publishers of respected newspapers like The Sun !

veritas wrote:
I never EVER would use a credit card on the net-I never EVER use a credit card except for dire emergencies or booking into hotels, hire cars etc where it's impossible not to use them.

Quite impractical for most of us .... and anyway, why should we be denied the convenience of developments becuase someone MAY abuse them? Credit Card purchases are protected.