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TOPIC: Embryo research
#28133
In The Know

Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
The lies and disinformation abound - the Independent today claims a cure for Parkinsons will be held-up if the Bill is not allowed to go ahead.

There is NO reliable information which shows embryo research has produced ANY cure, or even hint of a cure for ANY disease.

Such research MAY produce results - but then so could could any other form of research.

Trying to force through such legislation on lies and misinformation does the industry no good at all.

(btw - the main doctor pushing this research is Dr Minger !!!)
 
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#28138
BR

Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
Anyone else notice the glaring similarities between Gordon Brown's Government and that of the National Socialist Party under Mr A Hitler in the 30s.....

a. Propaganda out of control
b. Genetic experimentation out of control
c. Thought Police out of control
d. Rubbishing all religions
e. A ripping up of all morals and values in favour of an all powerful state

Scary - but our dumbed down general public who are now medicated with a cocktail of alcohol and prescription drugs ( funnily enough from Bavarian - German Pharmaceutical companies ) are oblivious to all of this.

Our media is now controlled by Gordon Brown's friends ( hence their continued attacks on Blair to move aside for the TRUE leader )

Be afraid of this - you have seen NOTHING yet - Gordon plans a totalitarian state by 2012 according to insiders.......and all those who speak out will certainly be rubbished as "enemies of the state" or have terrorism or child porn LOL cases thrown at them ( as in the Forest Gate Two )
 
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#28139
Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
I don't suppose there was any definite proof that anti-biotics would save millions of lives or that vaccinations would lead to the eradication of smallpox, until a sufficient amount of research was sanctioned.

As I see it, the only people against embryonic research are from organized religions, and their beliefs have no relevance in my opinion.
 
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#28140
Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
Yes I do think the argument "God says it's wrong" is very suspect indeed.
 
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#28143
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Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
Anthony wrote:
I don't suppose there was any definite proof that anti-biotics would save millions of lives or that vaccinations would lead to the eradication of smallpox, until a sufficient amount of research was sanctioned.

As I see it, the only people against embryonic research are from organized religions, and their beliefs have no relevance in my opinion.


Anthony

It has nothing to do with religion etc, more a belief in the sanctity of human life.

Once you abandon that principle, you open up the floodgates to hell.

This is nothing more that a few mad scientists wanting to push the boundaries - wasn't Frankenstein also a Doctor ?
 
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#28144
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Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
JK2006 wrote:
Yes I do think the argument "God says it's wrong" is very suspect indeed.

I never mentioned God, JK.

It's all about setting standards that should not be crossed.

If abortion is OK at 24 weeks, then why not 36 weeks? Why stop there? Once a child is born it's little more than a ball of flesh anyway - so, abortion (termination) OK up to say 3 years old? School age maybe ?

Similarly, with genetics, once you start mixing animal and human genes, the possibilities are endless (and will probably make Thalidomide etc seem like a common cold !!). Never mind, the mad scientists can then experiment further !!!
 
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#28150
Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
I don't see much of a connection between abortion and embryonic research. I have been both pro and anti abortion in my time, and have now settled on abstaining. It's too complex and emotive. The right of a woman to choose what to do with her own body against the right of a potential human to live. Only God could give a definitive answer on that one, and since he doesn't exist, we'll never have one.

If we had decided upon a world where Thalidomide could not have been developed, ITK, then none of the other drugs which have saved millions of lives could have been possible either, and what effect would that have had upon the sanctity of human life?

If I or a loved one had the chance of being cured or helped by a treatment based on embryonic research, I would not turn it down because of an admittedly feasible chance that some mad scientist might abuse that technology.

Some scientists might be mad, but the majority are just doing their job, perhaps only to make money for themselves and their employers, but doing a lot of good along the way.

All people who define themselves by their religion are mad in my opinion, believing as they do in unprovable fables, and the writings of a few nutters from hundreds or thousands of years ago. And I am convinced that while some may have genuine misgivings about the implications of embryonic research, the whole campaign against it is being driven by religion and I want no part of that.

If religion had its way, we'd still be living in the Dark Ages. No science would be allowed, as every scientific discovery made has been another nail in the coffin of religious scriptures. Just look at the way Iranians have to live where religion has had its way, under that nasty, evil, sadistic, bigoted Islamic regime, or the petty minded nastiness and bigotry in America's Bible Belt.

There will be a few mad scientists out there, but science will get my vote over religion every time.
 
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#28153
Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
In The Know wrote:
Anthony wrote:
I don't suppose there was any definite proof that anti-biotics would save millions of lives or that vaccinations would lead to the eradication of smallpox, until a sufficient amount of research was sanctioned.

As I see it, the only people against embryonic research are from organized religions, and their beliefs have no relevance in my opinion.


Anthony

It has nothing to do with religion etc, more a belief in the sanctity of human life.

Once you abandon that principle, you open up the floodgates to hell.

This is nothing more that a few mad scientists wanting to push the boundaries - wasn't Frankenstein also a Doctor ?

What is the issue regarding the "sanctity of human life" and what effect do you think this is having/going to have?

Frankenstein is a fictitious character.
 
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#28155
In The Know

Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
Anthony

We will have to agree to differ - you appear (to me) to be giving carte blanche to any research just in case it might happen to produce results.

Scietists have been saying "give us more freedom" for years - constantly pushing back the barriers, yet no real benefits have been produced.

This latest claim is no different imo - they promise the Earth but will not deliver it (and I suspect alot of people would not want treatment anyway which had some animal "element" to it !)
 
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#28156
Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
I'm with Anthony on this except... Mother Nature (now she definitely exists) has a way of working out methods of enabling the species to destroy itself.

I'm quite sure embryo research will save thousands of lives in one way and destroy millions in others.

It's the chaos theory. And I have great belief in chaos.
 
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#28167
Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
In The Know wrote:
Anthony

We will have to agree to differ - you appear (to me) to be giving carte blanche to any research just in case it might happen to produce results.

Scietists have been saying "give us more freedom" for years - constantly pushing back the barriers, yet no real benefits have been produced.

Ooh no, ITK, I gave you the wrong impression there. I wouldn't want to give anyone in a position of influence carte blanche to do anything, human nature being what it is. I do think it's a bit odd to say science has given us no real benefits though. Plenty of advances in medical science have been made in a mere blink of the eye in evolutionary terms.

JK, I take your point about the chaos theory, but the human population has increased sevenfold in the last 200 years, so Mother Nature isn't doing too well in making us destroy ourselves so far.
 
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#28178
In The Know

Re:Embryo research 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
Anthony wrote:
In The Know wrote:
Anthony

We will have to agree to differ - you appear (to me) to be giving carte blanche to any research just in case it might happen to produce results.

Scietists have been saying "give us more freedom" for years - constantly pushing back the barriers, yet no real benefits have been produced.

Ooh no, ITK, I gave you the wrong impression there. I wouldn't want to give anyone in a position of influence carte blanche to do anything, human nature being what it is. I do think it's a bit odd to say science has given us no real benefits though. Plenty of advances in medical science have been made in a mere blink of the eye in evolutionary terms.

JK, I take your point about the chaos theory, but the human population has increased sevenfold in the last 200 years, so Mother Nature isn't doing too well in making us destroy ourselves so far.


Whilest we all agree that there have been some advances in medical science - not as many as are claimed though ! - it's the thought that these people are going to "practise", just in case, that abhors me.

Re your point to JK. There are more than enough resources on this Earth for ALL people, religion has not forced people to accept greed has it (in fact it preaches AGAINST it !)

Nor has religion caused famine etc - but preaches in favour of helping people in these situations rather than spending huge amounts of money on weapons / war etc.

If the defence budgets of all countries (for one year) were spent on helping the poor, then poverty could largely be wiped out within a short time.
 
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#28189
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Gordon backs down ! 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
Good to see that the protests have forced Gordon to back down and concede a free vote -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7312715.stm

Power to the (sane) people !
 
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#28206
Re:Gordon backs down ! 16 Years, 1 Month ago  
In The Know wrote:
Good to see that the protests have forced Gordon to back down and concede a free vote -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7312715.stm

Power to the (sane) people !

...not really



BTW what are/is your objection to the research?
 
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