There are some who will never believe - no matter what the evidence !

(Probably the same dorks who still believe there are WMD in Iraq !!!! There ARE some in Israel, though !!!)

When you use fighter jets against a people who have nothing to defend themselves with you force them to use the only thing available to them, their own bodies. Hence Israel is responsible for the invention of the suicide bomber and we

There is a difference between being a critic of Israel and just ranting that Jews are nothing but trouble (hence the "anti semitic" accusation I made).

If you have scant knowledge of a subject, it would be a good idea to read boths sides of the argument and look at history, then you will have better knowledge.

The Palestinians were abandoned by Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt (and others) and left at the mercy of Israel. Those countries stood by and did nothing and continue to stand by and do nothing.

As for having nothing to defend themselves with,I would suggest the 40 or so rockets sent daily across into Israel from the Palestinian side, might suggest otherwise. The retaliation from Israel is over forceful and seemingly brutal. Hamas proclaims a ceasefire and yet these daily rocket launches go on.A Palestinian state has been offered time and time again and always turned down because these countries will not recognise or accept Israel.

During the Kuwaiti occupation,Saddam launched scud missiles into Israel. Israel did not retaliate. Virtually every other country would have done.

Calm down dear! It's only a civil war.
Think your response a trifle nasty considering I had the good grace to concede mine was a little knowledge (and by dint dangerous thing).
I was talking of a time before Palestine had a single rocket. Of course now they

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5083434.stm

Chucking 50 rockets at a school doesn't exactly do much for world sympathy. They should stick to military targets which would at least seem justified.

In the report ITK linked to it states :

Israel is doing what it can to avoid civilian casualties with its latest operations. The air strikes are mainly hitting Hamas's government buildings and other infrastructure and the few fatalities have been militants.

So One side throws rockets at a school, the other retaliates by aiming at and killing militants.

Ignor ALL World reports - inc the fact that Israel has had more UN condemnations than ANY other country (and still hasn't got out of the land it was ordered out of years ago !) - and twist the facts to produce propaganda that the Jews would be proud of !

as you mentioned the UN, let's take their angle

In 1947 the United Nations voted 33-13 to partition Palestine into two states, one for Jews, the other for Palestinians (the US voted for partition). Jerusalem was to be an international zone. At the time Palestine's population was about 30% Jewish and 70% Arab. Jews owned about 6% of the land surface; Arabs owned the rest. The Jews agreed to partition, but the Arabs did not.

The Arab refugee problem was caused by a war of aggression, launched by the Arab States against Israel in 1947 and 1948. Let there be no mistake. If there had been no war against Israel, with its consequent harvest of bloodshed, misery, panic and flight, there would be no problem of Arab refugees today. Once you determine the responsibility for that war, you have determined the responsibility for the refugee problem....The historic origins of that conflict are clearly defined by the confessions of the Arab governments themselves: "This will be a war of extermination," declared the Secretary General of the Arab League, speaking for the governments of six Arab States: "It will be a momentous massacre to be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and the Crusades."

We all know the Israelis have brutalised,dispossessed and alienated the Arabs for decades, in what should be a Palestinian state, in exactly the same way the Jews were treated in the surrounding Arab Nations.

You shouldn't judge the entire Jewish population of the world on the behaviour of the Israeli forces in the same way you don't judge every Muslim against an Iranian leader who wants to publically execute every homosexual in the country.

If you really doubt the existence of the Nazi Holocaust, perhaps you should change your name from ITK to KKK ?

I'm sure it will come as no surprise (to other readers) that you choose to begin your evaluation in 1947 AFTER the Jews had stolen Palestine !!!!!!!!!

<<< We all know the Israelis have brutalised,dispossessed and alienated the Arabs for decades, in what should be a Palestinian state >>>

Ah - some truth at last !

<<<< You shouldn't judge the entire Jewish population of the world on the behaviour of the Israeli forces >>>>

Oh - the Israeli forces are made up from Mexicans, are they? Or Swedes ? Who exactly should we blame?

Who is it that finances them? (Maybe it's the Moroccans !)

Who lobbies Congress to see they they get huge handouts and arms shipments every year (Sudanese maybe?)

Who protects them from UN sanctions (in every single debate where they were to be ostacised)? Is this the Irish ?

People like you propagate this "myth" that the current conflict is the "fault" of the Palestinians (for daring to demand their land back).

But the simple truth is that if the Jews were not currently fighting the Palestinians they would be fighting someone else.

The Jews have been hated throughout every country (they've been thrown out of most of them) on every continent and through every century. Now tell me .... is that the fault of the Jews, or is it the fault of everyone else who has ever lived?

but are you seriously saying you dislike Isrealis to the point where you wouldn't sh*g Dana International?

Youy're just pissed cos you never got to have a bahmitzvah !

I didn't have the barbaric ritual that precedes it either !

you're referring to 13 years of an overbearing, nagging mother I assume ?

mikemacca wrote:
as you mentioned the UN, let's take their angle

In 1947 the United Nations voted 33-13 to partition Palestine into two states, one for Jews, the other for Palestinians (the US voted for partition). Jerusalem was to be an international zone. At the time Palestine's population was about 30% Jewish and 70% Arab. Jews owned about 6% of the land surface; Arabs owned the rest. The Jews agreed to partition, but the Arabs did not.

The Arab refugee problem was caused by a war of aggression, launched by the Arab States against Israel in 1947 and 1948. Let there be no mistake. If there had been no war against Israel, with its consequent harvest of bloodshed, misery, panic and flight, there would be no problem of Arab refugees today. Once you determine the responsibility for that war, you have determined the responsibility for the refugee problem....The historic origins of that conflict are clearly defined by the confessions of the Arab governments themselves: "This will be a war of extermination," declared the Secretary General of the Arab League, speaking for the governments of six Arab States: "It will be a momentous massacre to be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and the Crusades."

We all know the Israelis have brutalised,dispossessed and alienated the Arabs for decades, in what should be a Palestinian state, in exactly the same way the Jews were treated in the surrounding Arab Nations.

You shouldn't judge the entire Jewish population of the world on the behaviour of the Israeli forces in the same way you don't judge every Muslim against an Iranian leader who wants to publically execute every homosexual in the country.

If you really doubt the existence of the Nazi Holocaust, perhaps you should change your name from ITK to KKK ?

This is absolutely correct - Mike is my new hero.

I'm a Jew guy (!) and I personally believe religion being supported by a state is ridiculous. Jewish, Palenstinian (sp?) - anything. Let people believe what they want and that's that. If you don't like it, don't be part of that religion. But what someone practices in their own home or in a privately owned church/mosque/synagogue... LET IT BE.

I think we should have given the Jews Cuba. We had it then anyway - it was a HOT vacation spot. My great uncle had a lot of land there. Plus, then we can keep an eye on it easier.

Dirt is dirt. And if you think God stepped on certain dirt over another, well - you're just insane and I can't help you.

Where's my medal?

Oh, we're looking for SOLUTIONS. OK. How 'bout the U.S. just annex it like we did with Alaska/Hawaii and every other place we have. Then, if anyone messes with Israel they're messing with US.

Jeff

Then, if anyone messes with Israel they're messing with US

Isn't that what has already happened?
And what is the result?

Israel is no safer today that the day it was seized.
And the USA are the pariahs of the World.